Wales (3) 12 / 6 (3)Â Springboks (Final Score)
Wales and the South African Springboks did battle in the End Of Year Tours at
Millennium stadium, Cardiff, Wales at 16:30 SA Time (14:30 BST & GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Take Note that the England vs Australia game was at the same time slot as the Wales vs South Africa game, therefore we concentrated on the Wales vs South Africa game, with SCORE UPDATES at the Bottom of the Article on the England vs Australia game.
Scorers:
Wales:
- Penalties – Leigh Halfpenny (4)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – 0
- Conversions – 0
Springboks:
- Penalties – Pat Lambie (2)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – 0
- Conversions – 0
Teams:
Wales |
South African Springboks |
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Expected weather: The roof will be closed, as always, but it will be damp underfoot and even though the surface has improved, it still cuts up at times. High of 12°C and low of 7°C
Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
Assistant Referees: George Clancy (Ireland), Pascal Gauzère (France)
TMO: Graham Hughes (England)
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England (13) 26 / 17 (3)Â Wallabies (Final Score)
England and the Australian Wallabies did battle in the End Of Year Tours at
Twickenham Stadium, London, England at 16:30 SA Time (14:30 BST & GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 6 & CSN on TV in SA.
Stormersboy wrote:
😆 the nameless front row.
We know and will mostly agree on the 45 players that will get called up to the initial training camp, but the hard part is narrowing the team down to 30.
Injuries will undoubtedly cause some changes, JdV may get fit in time, etc etc.
One player I forgot on that team is Coetzee. Who would we drop? Oupa or Carr? Tough call…..
@ Stormersboy:
Also Coetzee, very difficult to see him being excluded from the world cup squad.
but yes… Oupe or Carr or Coetzee… certainly many factors will come into play.
Who know, Jacque Potgieter might be a bolter as well, but the public pressure he will be under might not make it worth it.
Stormersboy wrote:
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On 27 Aug 2014 I posted the following over here:
“… Bottom line is:
Based on HM’s utterances and selection preferences, and as always also fitness, form & resolution of contractual disputes permitting, at this stage HM’s likely RWC 2015 squad looks something like this:
Tendai Mtwarira / Gurthro Steenkamp
Bismarck du Plessis / Adriaan Strauss
Jannie du Plessis / Frans Malherbe
Eben Etzebeth / Bakkies Botha
Victor Matfield / Flip van der Merwe
Francois Louw / Marcell Coetzee
Willem Alberts / Schalk Burger
Duane Vermeulen / Pierre Spies
Fourie du Preez / Ruan Pienaar (utility back), Francois Hougaard (utility back)
Morne Steyn / Handre Pollard, Pat Lambie (utility back)
Bryan Habana
Jean de Villiers / Frans Steyn (utility back)
Jacque Fourie / Damian de Allende (utility back)
JP Pietersen (utility back) / Cornal Hendricks
Willie le Roux (utility back)
Breakdown of the squad:
1. Ex RWC 2003 squad – 4
2. Ex RWC 2007 squad – 9
3. Ex RWC 2011 squad – 7
4. Pre HM era players without RWC experience – 2
5. Rookie Bokke introduced by HM – 8
6. Players of Colour (other than Black African) – 5
7. Black Africans – 1 (Zimbabwean born)
This squad contains only 8 new players brought into the Bok fold by HM of which a mere 2 are coloured players. The 1 Black African in this squad was introduced by HM’s predecessor, Peter de Villiers …”
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Since then Bakkies Botha & Jacque Fourie have announced their retirement, much to HM’s dismay. Gurthrö Steenkamp & Francois Hougaard have lost form, but they’ve been out of form before & had nonetheless been selected by HM, so one will have to see whether HM is prepared to swap their experience for Trevor Nyakane & Cobus Reinach’s youthful exuberance, vigour & current better form. Also, one does not know whether Jean de Villiers will recover in time for RWC2015 – personally I think he won’t, in which case Jan Serfontein is a shoe-in for the RWC.
HM burdens not under a recency bias, but an anchoring bias …
Fans are generally the exact opposite.
@ Angostura:
Those are clear black and white stats, I agree that is what Meyer thinking is.
What is your opinion on it though?
Also 5,6 and 7 changed. It did not make us better and it can be blamed for worsening the team.
1 black African in Meyers Tenure?
MacroBok wrote:
Nope, I did not say that (Meyer’s tenure)
(read again, I referred to 1 black African in that [presumed] RWC2015 squad)
MacroBok wrote:
First tell me what are the quota requirements for RWC2015, & is the RWC squad 30 or 31 players?
@ Angostura:
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The 30 names you start off with is indeed what HM will try with.
There you might be 80-90% right
But i did not make a issue about age. I feel that all the experience is worth nothing in this team. The facts show it. With so much experience why cant there be quite a few variations. Players with 50 caps must have enough potential to play quite a few variations. OK HM believes in structures and they are forced to play to his instructions(game plan) But it does NOT WORK.
We have a simple game plan but we cant even make that work, knocking great opportunities over and over again.
Now look at the 6 front row players- They simply are not good in every game. They are from piss poor to brilliant. They are either stupid and must first get a shock treatment to get them going. Why?
Jannie du Plessis Tendai Mtawarira 34 tests together, is it not a World record?
I can go on and on but the front rowers are all experienced and had numerous games together
Front-row combinations
(with 2 or more tests)
Player Player Player Tests
Jannie du Plessis Bismarck du Plessis Tendai Mtawarira 16
Jannie du Plessis Tendai Mtawarira Adriaan Strauss 15
MacroBok wrote:
Both Jaques (du Plessis and Potgieter) must be close to Bok colours
@ Angostura:
So Mvovo trevor and Oupa won’t make the squad?
Loose Forward combinations
(with 2 or more tests)
Player Player Player Tests
Francois Louw Willem Alberts Duane Vermeulen 17
Juan Smith Schalk (jnr) Burger Pierre Spies 12
The game time together is certainly enough.
Remember the stats above is run on combinations, as reserves this is many more
But with our smothering of individualism this means one thing they played under strict instruction. Not like our biggest enemy where individual brilliance is praised.
@ Stormersboy:
Du Plessis?
Surely not.
You have been in Pretoors to long.
😆
Na die harde lesse wat ons hopelik geleer na hierdie toer, sal ek nie vir Willie as heelagter speel nie. Die toestande in die noorde vra vir ‘n hele ander benadering.
Die WB gaan nie met ‘n drieëfees gewen word nie, ongeag hoe graag ons ‘n drieëfees wil sien.
Daarom moet SARU en Fransie maar maatjies maak en elkeen sy eie ego op die agtergrond skuif sodat ons die beste span kan kies.
Sal Frans op heelagter speel met Willie as impakspeler. Dan het ons nog ‘n ekstra skopvoet saam met Lambie/Pollard/Morne.
JDV en Jan, of Jan en JF as senterpaar (as JDV reg is en HM vir JF kan ompraat). Sal baie goed wees as JF omgepraat kan word om vir Sharks of Bulle in super15 te kan kom speel, sodat kombinasies ontwikkel kan word met manne soos Lambie, Pollard, Frans en Jan.
Die losskakel kwessie is seker nou die grootste probleem.
Nie enige losskakel het daardie posisie sy eie gemaak nie, en heelwat selfvertroue het ‘n knak gevat.
Lambie is in die saal, Pollard klop aan die deur en Morne is Morne, mnr. Betroubaar maar is dit genoeg ?
Groot probleem is, die manne speel eers weer met die WB self daarbo in die noorde. So met die super15 kook hulle weer en dink almal dinge is OK.
So ons grootste probleem is dat ons nie ‘n gevestigde skakelpaar het nie, en ek kan nie onthou of ‘n span al ooit ‘n WB gewen het sonder ‘n goeie skakelpaar nie.
Baie moeilike jaar vir HM wat wag, en as die beserings eers begin inrol, kan dit nag raak.
One thing that we have forgotten is that Meyer will pick 6 Props. 3 Hookers and scrumhalves, and 3 kickers. that leaves 16 players for the rest
Changes things up a bit
gunther wrote:
Stranger things have happened
@ Stormersboy:
Potgeiter before him certainly.
582 gunther wrote:
Of those 3 names, Trevor has the best chance of making the squad (but only because Gurthrö seems way past sell by date; but can HM see it?); Mvovo won’t make it, unless Habana is injured, or Cornal self-destructs. HM is likely to go for de Allende (rather than Mvovo) coz de Allende is BIGGER (y-a-w-n) & can play both centre & wing.
Whether Oupa can make it depends on the RWC2015 quota requirements (do you know what these are? please enlighten me!). If the numbers dictate that he must be selected, it will not be at the expense of either #7s, W Alberts or S Burger, but at the expense of a junior lock such as PSDT or Lood, etc. Alberts & Oupa would then have to cover #4 lock backup, not a satisfactory situation.
I am personally not averse to the selection of Trevor, Mvovo or Oupa – But there are only so many positions available, & I’m trying to guess which way HM would go with HIS squad selection.
superBul wrote:
Im not sure what you mean? Should Meyer have played 2 sets of combinations in the whole team and split game time evenly?
2 sets of front rows etc?
Stormersboy wrote:
That was not forgotten:
In 2007 the Bokke went to the WC with either only 2 hookers (& 3 scrummies) or only 2 scrummies (& 3 hookers) – I can’t remember what applied.
Remember, the WC is a mere overnight flight away from SA, & in Schalk Brits’ case even closer.
I suspect HM will go with 2 hookers (a prop can cover for a hooker in an extreme emergency) & 3 scrummies.
But I imagine reading somewhere that the WC squads are now 31 players – if that is the case, 6 props, 3 hookers, 3 scrummies, & 3 goal kickers can be accommodated, no problem.
@ Ben-die-Bul:
Ek stem saam Willie was nie op standard die jaar oorsee nie, maar hy was laasjaar uitstekend, hy het amper nie n bal laat val nie… hoe kan 1/2 swak toere beteken dat hy heeltemal nie goed genoeg is nie?
Ons kort wel backup, en ons moes Mvovu probeer het in plass van Goosen.
Ek stem saam oor loskakel, die (jong) ouens wat kans gegee was kon dit nie ten volle neem nie, dit is n probleem.
“So met die super15 kook hulle weer en dink almal dinge is OK.”
Weer? soos 2014? 😆
Ja die skakelpaar is nou n probleem.
Stormersboy wrote:
Du Plessis does not even deserve to be first choice at the Bulls this season… the ONLY thing that is in his favour is that he is huge.
@ Angostura:
I dont think many people will differ with any squad Meyer selects.
Sure there will be the odd player that will lose out like Sarel
The Lions players will struggle to get into contention because they lost out in 2013 SR
Mvovu will be unlucky, if JDJ misses has to good years in a row he might also miss out.
Kolbe needs to prove himself against those huge Kiwi wings in Super Rugby, Senatla might not even play Super Rugby.
De Allende surely proved himself well enough this year in SR, you don’t seem convinced though?
589 @ Angostura:
I have read conflicting reports about the Quotas, but according to the SARU presentation the quota is 24% “Black African”.
That that is 3.6 players of colour in the on field team.
and I think 7.4 players of colour in the squad… this should not have to be too difficult?
Beast, Trevor, Carr, JPP, Habana, Cornal, Oupa, Scarra, Senatla… Kolisi, Kolbe, Bongi, Sithole, Mapoe, Basson, de Allende, JDJ.
Then again… we have no idea what injuries hold in for us in 2015.
gunther wrote:
I’d be inclined towards him too, but only after 6 or 7 other players first.
MacroBok wrote:
How can I be convinced about de Allende when his form in Tests was so poor & HM had so little faith in him that he made tour from country to country & from Bok camp to Bok camp for 3 months on end without ever giving him an opportunity to play ANY rugby?
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Sarel Pretorius, Mvovo, Kolbe, Senatla, Whiteley, Kriel, Redelinghuys, Dreyer (& perhaps Coenie O) won’t make the RWC squad.
Now that Jean is injured, Jacque retired & Frans “dwars” & unavailable, Juan de Jongh has an outside chance of making the RWC squad, but he’ll have to fight off challenges from all other SA Super Rugby centres. Tis open season for Bok centre berths!
@ Stormersboy:
The thing about Jacque dup though, had he been playing in england with that size or even the othe home nations, he could likely have had a whole year of test rugby behind him.
He was really good in SR this year before he broke his jaw.
He would have made a larger impact on the eoyt, much more than Oupa.
@ Angostura:
I won’t write off de Allende so easily, he was really unlucky to get injured before the June series and then had to come back in a position he has not played in all year.
@ Angostura:
Which players do you want to make the world cup squad…that wont?
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