Wales (3) 12 / 6 (3)Â Springboks (Final Score)
Wales and the South African Springboks did battle in the End Of Year Tours at
Millennium stadium, Cardiff, Wales at 16:30 SA Time (14:30 BST & GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Take Note that the England vs Australia game was at the same time slot as the Wales vs South Africa game, therefore we concentrated on the Wales vs South Africa game, with SCORE UPDATES at the Bottom of the Article on the England vs Australia game.
Scorers:
Wales:
- Penalties – Leigh Halfpenny (4)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – 0
- Conversions – 0
Springboks:
- Penalties – Pat Lambie (2)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – 0
- Conversions – 0
Teams:
Wales |
South African Springboks |
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Expected weather: The roof will be closed, as always, but it will be damp underfoot and even though the surface has improved, it still cuts up at times. High of 12°C and low of 7°C
Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
Assistant Referees: George Clancy (Ireland), Pascal Gauzère (France)
TMO: Graham Hughes (England)
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England (13) 26 / 17 (3)Â Wallabies (Final Score)
England and the Australian Wallabies did battle in the End Of Year Tours at
Twickenham Stadium, London, England at 16:30 SA Time (14:30 BST & GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 6 & CSN on TV in SA.
Not here to defend myself, Macrobok thanks, Stormersboy ja it was bad timing thats for sure. If i could wait till the real extend of his injury was known it would have been better. Sorry for bad timing. But i never said i am happy about it, all who had something to say read your own comments.
JFK and Nortie and also John Galt thank you for not calling me names.
Pietman and GBS Thanks Bruvvas
Gunther i dont have to say anything nasty to you, enjoy your avatar it suits you.
@ gunther:
I see they starting in Adelaide on the 9th and moving the GABBA test to the 17th.
Should’ve cancelled the series.
😆
@ Jeraldjay:
Really?
I see Herschelle has been nabbed again.
😯
@ gunther:
With all the years of experience why has he not perfected the art of drunken driving.
Makes no sense.
@ superBul:
Your biggest crime on this site is to avoid being sycophantic towards Heyneke Meyer.
It will lose you a lot of support.
It will probably result in you being called a doos or similar.
@ superBul:
@ superBul:
The timing was bad?
When you saw him being stretchered off?
Cry me a farking river.
This is going to cause waves.
Cape Town – Frans Steyn will return to South Africa to play for the Sharks in next year’s Super Rugby competition.
READ: Steyn, SARU in money dispute
The 27-year-old earlier this year made himself unavailable for Springbok contention due to a contractual dispute with the SA Rugby Union (SARU).
He currently plays club rugby in Japan for the Toshiba Brave Lupus.
His agent, Gerrie Swart, confirmed to Rapport (www.netwerk24.co.za) that Steyn would return to South Africa next year to play for the Sharks.
It is believed that Steyn’s return is an indication of his desire to play for the Springboks at next year’s Rugby World Cup in England and Wales.
Swart said Steyn is enjoying his rugby in Japan and has shed 10kgs, while also confirming that the player only wanted to take a temporary break from international rugby.
Steyn’s intended return would be welcomed by Bok coach Heyneke Meyer, especially after the horrific injury suffered by captain Jean de Villiers.
De Villiers dislocated his knee in the weekend Test against Wales in Cardiff and is set to be sidelined for several months, leaving his participation at next year’s World Cup in doubt.
Steyn would be a welcome boost to the Boks’ midfield stocks, while it is believed that Meyer is also keen to convince Jaque Fourie to change his mind after the centre announced his retirement from Test rugby last week.
Sport24
SARugbymag.’s panel of experts on the Bok tour, players who impressed and disappointed, selections, and lessons learned.
ROBBIE KEMPSON (former Bok prop)
‘It’s quite obvious the tour was a failure. It should have been about blooding youngsters, but that’s not what happened.
JIMMY STONEHOUSE (Pumas coach)
‘A lot of youngsters should have played on this tour to get experience in northern hemisphere conditions, and it’s a pity we didn’t get to see Warren Whiteley and Jaco Kriel.
WAYNE FYVIE (former Bok flank)
‘The tour was a failure, not just because of the losses to Ireland and Wales but the way the Boks performed in those matches.
JAMES DALTON (former Bok hooker)
‘I wouldn’t say the tour was a failure, but it wasn’t a rip-roaring success either. Provided we use this as experience going forward, there has to be an identification of the 15 best players, whether they are youngsters or not.
OLLIE LE ROUX (former Bok prop)
‘The tour was a huge failure. The coaching was not up to scratch.
KOBUS WIESE (former Bok lock)
‘For any team ranked among the top five Test nations in the world, let alone second best, those results are not good enough. But it’s been building for quite a while now. The Boks were lucky to beat Argentina twice in the Rugby Championship,
this was an opportunity to see what the youngsters could do in those conditions. Sadly, we will only find out at the World Cup, if he picks the youngsters.
@ gunther:
Sharks don’t need FS, neither do the boks.
No player is bigger than the team.
He can continue leading his solitary, lonely life in Japan for all I care.
@ superBul:
Funny how the kenners mostly believe that HM should have given more of the new generation a go.
He is extremely conservative, unlike Hansen who changed most of his team against Scotland.
HM wants to be measured on his win/loss record rather than build for the future.
superBul wrote:
@ superBul:
A lot is said about giving the youngsters a chance?
What about youngsters like Pollard, Pat, Willie, Lood, Carr, Jan, oupa.
Willie and Pat are the experienced youngsters who disappointed in the last outings.
The players who could feel aggrieved is Jaco Kriel.
Had we given ALL the youngsters a chance and debuted 6 or 8 players and still lost… would the tour suddenly have been a success?
Huge lessons learnt from this tour is that we need an experienced player at 9, and if Ruan can play like he played the game he got injured he might be better, he would still be better than both our scrumhalves on tour, though Reinach mixed a lot of good with a few poor decisions.
Also Oupa is not up to scratch in the Northern Hemisphere.
Who locally can be back up to Alberts?
superBul wrote:
Fair play.
Go Bokke
523…
Only players I can think of is Elstadt, Rhodes or 12km/h(Jacque dup) to have a heavy robust ball carrier… But both Elstadt and Rhodes are both liabilities as well, wont help the cause to have a blindsider in the bin with one of our wings.
@ MacroBok:
Hi MB,
In my view, Marcel Coetzee is a blindside flank who should, ideally, come on for 20-30 minutes after Alberts has wreaked his normal havoc.
Openside should be Flouw with Kriel as back up.
The incredible Schalk should be reserve loosie.
MacroBok wrote:
Burger, Alberts, Kolisi (provided he has a good year), Deysel, Flo, Arno Botha ( remember him?) Carr, Coetzee,
We have quite a few options actually.
@ Stormersboy:
On current form, Carr is a good one. Would like to see him get more game time and give Thor a break.
@ Charo:
Hey Charo, I am looking for a heavy ball carrier, our success (before this year) in europe has been based on players like Flip and Alberts who are heavy ball carriers, they do enough to slow the game down enough and draw a few tacklers. Marcell struggled with that even if his efforts were valiant.
These last few weeks we often got over the advantage line, but after three phases someone would get tackled backwards or are out of place at the next ruck.
@ Stormersboy:
Hey SB, Kolisi has to have a good year, Deysel is actually a good option?
Flo is openside, Carr openside or 8 and Coetzee is one of those hybrids, Arno needs to last 8 matches before Ill even consider penciling him in…could all be makeshift options but then we wont be selecting them for their strengths
Gone quiet now.
Chat tomorrow.
Cheers.
One of the silent warriors for the AB’s is Jerome Kaino, that guys get through a lot of ball carrying with Read.
It is a pity Coenie has his apparant neck problems at loosehead, he does more work than Jannie and Beast combined in general play… He does not shirk his ball carrying responsibilities either.
It’s all good and well measuring yourself against the All Blacks, and beating them was a huge monkey off HM and the team’s back, but it takes a different type of game plan and even some different personnel to play the NH teams away.
Willie looked great at home and in the RC, but he looked like a beginner these last few games, same with a player like Hougaard.
You can employ the running game against the AB’s and Aussies, because they prefer playing that way too.
The Aussies and Boks had poor tours, and even the AB’s didn’t really impress and run away with scores, but they were still good enough to win all their games.
All three SH powers will have to adapt for the WC
@ nortie:
We certainly need some real studying of their game. I can not believe we dont have various contingency plans. We keep boasting about our experience. But the experienced players have no think scrum to quickly adjust during a crises in the game. We run on the field and keep doing things that is not working, over and over.
That is when a captain should call his troops together and say lets try move #2 a few times. If he fails his coach who believed in him so much , must accept the captains move.
What is the point if experience does not pull you out of the hole?
Then rather play with youthful exuberance and take the win with a laugh or say a loss was at least worth the experience
MacroBok wrote:
Correct, many of those players mentioned are hybrid type players, as you say.
Theres also Jaques Potgieter and Du Plessis. Both are really big guys
533 @ superBul:
Yep, and we struggle against Argentina for the same reason we struggle against the NH sides.
Play fancy pants rugby against the AB’s if we want to, they will “play ball” as well, but the sooner they realize that it doesn’t work in the NH against teams that don’t mind winning by 12-6 without any tries scored, the better
nortie wrote:
But Willie was brilliant on last years end of year tour, surprised all of us, is he now suddenly not the right player to play there? How is that possible?
I think he just played poorly on tour. He was still nominated as IRB player of the year?
superBul wrote:
The problem is that if your players are knocking the ball on or kicking directly out or not out at all… so plan A is not even done properly… why would they execute move #2 better?
I think it is not that easy to say, well Plan A is not working, lets try plan B… I can think of one or two instances where this was the case and that is the 2011 WC quarter final where we did everything we could in our “plan A”.
Our inconsistency this year is not because the gameplan is poor, it is because we played poorly in general. That is either because Meyer does not motivate his players enough, the Bok gameplan people expect is far removed from what we saw in the Super Rugby teams, poor team selection, crucial errors by players like not kicking out, injuries in key positions or players in halfback positions blowing hot and cold.
What would Plan B have been against Wales after halftime on Saturday?
@ MacroBok:
One simple question.
Is our game plan so well known to the opponents that the simply rush us to make these silly mistakes?
We are easily read, no brain surgeon needed to see what is coming.
MacroBok wrote:
yes he even surprised them.
But his bag of tricks is known now.
That is when he must try something unexpected.
Also one thing he must learn fast is trust in his team mates. He is a bit selfish.
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