Wales (3) 12 / 6 (3)Â Springboks (Final Score)
Wales and the South African Springboks did battle in the End Of Year Tours at
Millennium stadium, Cardiff, Wales at 16:30 SA Time (14:30 BST & GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Take Note that the England vs Australia game was at the same time slot as the Wales vs South Africa game, therefore we concentrated on the Wales vs South Africa game, with SCORE UPDATES at the Bottom of the Article on the England vs Australia game.
Scorers:
Wales:
- Penalties – Leigh Halfpenny (4)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – 0
- Conversions – 0
Springboks:
- Penalties – Pat Lambie (2)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – 0
- Conversions – 0
Teams:
Wales |
South African Springboks |
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Expected weather: The roof will be closed, as always, but it will be damp underfoot and even though the surface has improved, it still cuts up at times. High of 12°C and low of 7°C
Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
Assistant Referees: George Clancy (Ireland), Pascal Gauzère (France)
TMO: Graham Hughes (England)
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England (13) 26 / 17 (3)Â Wallabies (Final Score)
England and the Australian Wallabies did battle in the End Of Year Tours at
Twickenham Stadium, London, England at 16:30 SA Time (14:30 BST & GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 6 & CSN on TV in SA.
MacroBok wrote:
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Well, not being a butcher 🙂 I’ll round that to read: “minimum of 4 on field, & 7 in the match day XXIII”
Thx
@ Angostura:
haha I also think it is quite funny
Currently it is 12%
2015 24%
2016 35%
2017 40%
2018 50%
2019 60%
Page 32
re post 601
sorry, MB, with 7.4 you must have been referring to the touring squad, not the match 23
@ Angostura:
yep, using politically correct maths it should round to 8 players.
@ Angostura:
Then again the world cup squad could be more.
But like I said there are conflicting reports. Im sure SARU does not even know what their own targets are or how to get it, they just slapped something together for Fikile.
@602
Black African projections is (page 32)
2015 24%
2016 35%
2017 40%
2018 50%
2019 60%
Generic Black projections is (page 41)
2015 30%
2016 34%
2017 40%
2018 45%
2019 50%
What this means is up to interpretation
so that puts Players of colour on field at
4.5—5 players of which 3.6–4 has to be black African.
ah i understand why it is 24%
24% should be the average over a championship.
for example in the RC next year we play 3 games. Theoretically Meyer could select 3 P’soC for 1 game, but the he will have to select 4 in the other two games…minimum 😆
but after 2017, the minimum coloured players per team goes into the negative
Santa Claus
What do you want for Christmas Heyneke my boy?
Heyneke
A dragon!
Santa Claus
Come now Heyneke be realistic.
Heyneke
Ok I want to win the World Cup next year.
Santa Claus
Aha ok.. What colour dragon did you want?
MacroBok wrote:
He was a very big youngster, and has started to grow into his size this year. Last year he was definitely too soft on the field, but he is improving for sure. If he keeps up his growth there is a chance that he will come into reckoning, we all know how much HM loves his big guys.
Hmmm the SARU transformation plan for 2015:
Engage with franchises to increase black player representation to 30% (7 Black players in the squad of 23 with 5 players on field at all times.
Bulls
Ludekes team
1. Trevor
2. Strauss
3. Kruger
4. Flip
5. Matfield
6. Stegman
7. Botha
8. Spies
9. Hougaard
10. Pollard
11. Basson
12. Jan
13. WSS
14. Akona
15. Visser
Where the hell is he getting the other 4 players?
@ MacroBok:
We need to start stealing some ABSAs from the Brokebacks.
😆
To no one in particular.I am a great fan of FS and believe
that he is a great player.
I also place a high premium on honour,which I think is conspicuously absent in Jurie and the rest of SARU.
If,as I believe,he was lured back to SA by certain incentives,
and if these incentives did not materialise,then why
is FS being crucified for SARU incompetence.
If they screwed up re SARS then I reckon that the onus
is on them to pu it right?
Regards Rye
576 MacroBok wrote:
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This would be my squad:
Tendai Mtwarira / Trevor Nyakane
Adriaan Strauss (Capt) / Bismarck du Plessis
Jannie du Plessis / Frans Malherbe
Eben Etzebeth / Pieter-Steph du Toit
Victor Matfield / Flip van der Merwe
Francois Louw / Marcell Coetzee
Willem Alberts / Schalk Burger
Duane Vermeulen / Nizaam Carr
Fourie du Preez / Ruan Pienaar (utility back), Cobus Reinach
Handre Pollard / Pat Lambie (utility back), Marnitz Boshoff (utility back)
Bryan Habana
Jan Serfontein / Damian de Allende (utility back)
Juan de Jongh / Sibusiso Sithole (utility back)
JP Pietersen (utility back) / Cornal Hendricks
Willie le Roux (utility back)
If a 31-player squad, then I’ll also have Scarra Ntubeni in the squad as 3rd hooker.
If a 30-player squad, then Schalk Brits will be on standby as hooker cover.
Schalk Burger will likely not necessarily make the bench, but rather Nizaam & Schalk will rotate as bench loose forwards, covering all 3 loose forward positions. Willem & Schalk will also rotate as starting #7s. In certain matches Schalk might start #7, with Willem covering lock/loose forward & Nizaam loose forward, with no specialist lock cover. With these rotational permutations Nizaam would be a better fit than Oupa.
Quotas (for 2015) have been met, but I must state, that I chose (my personal) squad on merit, & only checked on quotas afterwards. It (selecting a team on merit that satisfies quotas) was not a problem now, but it could become a problem in years to come if we are not earnest about transformation at ALL levels of the game.
Ok so then if we assume the following:
31 players
6 Props
3 Hookers
3 Scrummies
3 Flyhalves/kickers
Then the rest
Lets unpack the likely suspects then (based on recent selections)
Props
Beast, Coenie, Jannie, Trevor, Frans, Julian
Hookers
Bismark, Andries, Scarra
Scrumhalves
FDP, Pienaar, Reinach
Kickers/Flyhalves
Lambie/Pollard/ Goosen (Fullback cover)
The rest:
Eben, Vic, Lood, Flip
Schalk, Duanne, Flo, Coetsee, Alberts, (covers Lock too) Carr (because he will outshine Oupa this next SR season)
Frans, Jan, JPP (Covers wing and Centre), Bryan, Willie, Mvovo
A bit thin on backline cover but still, a fair amount of versatility there.
Other players to consider:
Kolisi
Mohoje
Kriel
Francois Hougaard
JJ Engelbrecht
Juan De Jongh
Damian De Allende
Warren Whitely
PSDT
Arno Botha
Sbu Sithole
Jacques x 2
Schalk Britz
Jano Vermaak
Jacque Fourie
Boshoff
Cornel Hendriks
Some other Lions player…
That’s 50.
And then there’s Luke Watson…..
@ ryecatcher:
I’m sorry I can’t agree with that assessment .
Although Hoskins is about as trustworthy as a Turkish carpet salesman Frankie puts the merc in mercenary.
It’s funny that he comes running back in to the arms of SA Rugby everytime the World Cup rolls around?
Making sure hemp it’s himself in the ship window for some lucrative post tourney contracts.
It’s called Cupboard Love.
😆
Angostura wrote:
The problem comes in with the 6 props statement that Meyer made. It takes 2 places away, who would you add and substract based on that?
re posts 606 & 614
O, donner, MB
I see you have that 24% requirement as being applicable to Black Africans
& a 30% requirement for Generic Blacks … in 2015 already?
I didn’t realise that … I don’t know how HM will achieve that, not on merit anyway …
This will open the way for talented players such as Mvovo, Senatla, Mohoje, Mapoe, Ntubeni, etc., to stake a strong claim for inclusion, but all of them in 2015 already?
Maybe we misunderstand those targets?
There doesn’t seem any urgency about reaching these targets in 2015? No press discussions about it – nothing … Can it be?
MacroBok wrote:
How will they differentiate between the two?
The new Nats of 2015 will have to invent a new pencil test
Perhaps use a Dulux colour chart?
I can see the selectors discussing which category a player will fall into
“He’s too light for 20022 Ethiopian Ebony but definitely too dark for 20033 Latin Latte, maybe a 20055 Scottish Toffee”
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@ Angostura:
I think the “problem” will mostly be at provincial level.
These are basically projections. They will likely review each year to determine how the year went. The saru transformation plan covers much much more than the springboks. It also covers administration level across the board that will be the bigger challenge.
Stormersboy wrote:
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😳
I read 6 props, when you 1st mentioned it, but my mind interpreted it as 4 props (My mistake!)
Why would a squad need 6 props?
When did HM say he needed 6 props for the WC?
I could still see an argument for 5 props (Coenie then coming in coz he can scrumdown either side), & that would mean BOTH a lock like PSDT AND a loosie like Nizaam Carr will lose out to be replaced by a loose forward like Oupa Mohoje who can comfortably operate at both #7 or lock.
6 props will be a problem though – one of the wings-cum-centres like Sbu Sithole or Damian de Allende will then also have to make way & miss out.
@ Victoriabok:
Generic blacks are non whites i think except indians
MacroBok wrote:
I see Geriatric Player Projections are 0% after the World Cup 😛
@ Angostura:
I agree 6 props wont make sense though it is in the realm of possibility.
Though he could have meant that hea wants 6 quality props tonchoose a wc squad from?
@ Victoriabok:
Haha i likenhow my they want minimum 60% black africans by 2019
But the generic black minimum is 50%
In other words the bok coach would have to include at least 10%white black africans?
😆
MacroBok wrote:
I have never seen an Indian rugby player in SA, have you?
I have seen Indians and other Asian countries ply in tournaments on “World of Rugby”
@ Victoriabok:
Lol they dont but thats south african law for you.
MacroBok wrote:
It’s the last year of the S18 in the new guise in 2019
I would like to see how they are going to negotiate a new SANZAR contract if they messed up the rugby so much by then
It might be the reason why the Aussies and Kiwis are bringing in Japan and Argentina next year
If no-one wants to pay to watch to see our racially engineered teams lose with cricket scores they can drop us and add teams from those countries
Victoriabok wrote:
The flanker, Uzair Cassiem, who originates from the W-Cape, but plays for the Pumas has a surname that could originally have been Indian, Pakistani or from some other Asian geographical area. On appearance he looks as though he could be Indian or of mixed race.
Some of the Coloured folk here in KZN also have Indian blood flowing in their veins, & I wouldn’t be surprised if some of such play rugby, especially if they attend schools of a rugby culture. Some pockets of the Eastern Cape are also like that. And of course rugby is a much more broadly played & supported sport in the E-Cape than in KZN.
Be that as it may, I doubt Uzair Cassiem is pure Indian – not that it matters.
OK, ciao out.
@ Victoriabok:
Our provinces does not seem to be worried though.
So maybe there has been a new transormation plan drafted since July 2014. There is some good things in there though that could lead to success in the next 15-20 years.
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