Springboks (13) 25 / 37 (27) Los Pumas (Final Score)
The South African Springboks and Argentinian Pumas did battle in Round 3 of The Rugby Championship at
Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban at 17:05 SA Time (12:05 ARG Time, 15:05 GMT, Sunday 01:05 AEST, Sunday 03:05 NZ Time).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
Springboks:
- Penalties – Handré Pollard (2)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Lood de Jager (1), Willie le Roux (1), Bryan Habana (1)
- Conversions – Handré Pollard (2)
Los Pumas:
- Penalties – Juan Martín Hernández (1), Marcelo Bosch (1)
- Drop Goals – Marcelo Bosch (1)
- Tries – Marcelo Bosch (1), Juan Imhoff (3)
- Conversions – Juan Martín Hernández (4)
Teams:
South African Springboks |
Argentinian Pumas |
| 8 August at 17:05 SA Time | |
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Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant Referees: JP Doyle (England), Marius Mitrea (Italy)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)
299: kies enige tyd vir vet Fransie bo wille Willie wat self nie weet wat hy volgende gaan doen nie.
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Hoop HM gee die ouens wat terugkom van beserings game time in CB.
@ Vrystaat: to add further to what you’re saying, its always been my theory that if your tighthead’s working then the rest pretty much falls into place. Might be simplistic but in both the previous two Tests, our scrums were good, even very good. That created the platform from which we built momentum and the rest clicked into place. We are not a team which can come back from the brink like our peers. Not in recent times. So if we’re going backwards at scrum time, like today, we’re pretty much buggered.
300: nog maar net een game, maar soos Nollis se manne vandag gespeel het, dink ek nie HM moet terugkom Bulle toe nie, netnou wil hy JDV ook weer teken vir die Bulle ! 😯
and as for poor Vincent Koch. He had/has huge potential. However, after today’s abomination, I think his international days are over. His confidence must be shattered. Mallett did something similiar to Van Onselen and Gaffie du Toit. They never recovered to reach their full potential. Meyer’s probably re-enacted similiar to Koch. Why the hell put a rookie tighthead up against the strongest and most feared front row in world rugby? Isn’t that just plain daft?
304: stem saam. Maar ek weet nie meer oor die skrums nie, ‘n ander dag ‘n ander ref dan was hy dalk die held ?
Ergste is, as jy eers die etiket het, dan het jy hom.
Vra maar vir ou Wors en Werner !
Tassies wrote:
Thats pretty funny, a few weeks ago Jannie was hummiliated by a hitler reacts video, the whole country was laughing at him and said he should not even be close to the bok team and Koch was the savior of the sprinbok scrum… funny how things work in hindsight.
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heyneke needs to grow some cojones.
he is a good coach but is too soft for this type of environment.
he shied off from english premier league rugby because it was outside of his comfort zone.
so he found a home at a comfortable place like the blue bulls.
when pdv was appointed bok coach, hm gained a cult following amongst the afrikaner supporters as the “real” coach and the saviour of our bok team. this had been fermented earlier when jake white was recalled to explain the bok performances. clearly the n.tvl element of sa rugby was in full flight to get their man and perceived savior of the national team.
however, when he stooped to appoint useless assistants like johan van graan and other n.tvl staff, the real bok supporters started seeing the pattern, the comfort zones – all typical of the afrikaner culture.
to us, the writing was on the wall.
the boks, under an afrikaans coach, had never won the rugby world cup.
the chances of changing this trend seem slim.
don’t hold out any hope for the 2015 rwc – i hope i am wrong.
309: Nou toe nou, so dit is toe al die tyd alles die Afrikaners se skuld, rooinek ?
So glad I didn’t get up at 2:30 to watch this. I had a gut feeling this was going to happen. Sa and Are games to similar; depending on dominance in the scrums and physical ball carrying. Rookie tighthead and no Albert’s and Duane as well as hasbeen-return-from- injury captain in the midfield. I saw disaster coming and my gut feeling was right. That HM can not see what I wrote above is a real worry. He coach on emotion and is as a consequence a disaster.
@ Tassies:
Ja, it’s like Doc Craven said: first you pick your tighthead prop, then your reserve tighthead, and only then do you start worrying about details like the rest of the teamsheet:-)
If you play the same game you need to make sure you are better, stronger in the key aspects of execution. Physicality, scrum dominance and ascendency at the breakdowns are the three aspects of the SA And ARG games. So what does HM do he go select players that compromise those key aspects: rookie tight head; small loose forwards and a returning from serious injury hasbeen in the midfield.
Vrystaat wrote:
Good tight head is important but our scrum problem is I believe larger than that. We keep on looking for Mr fantastic at tight head while our real problem is that our scrum coaching is not on par. When was the last time any SA team dominated in the scrum. We have one out the good scrums in a match but overall we don’t dominate. Our scrimmaging is not consistent
One or two good scrums in a match but normally we loose the overall battle in the scrums. Our scrums deteriorate once the subs came on. For me that indicates a coaching problem.
MacroPolo wrote:
I don’t think one player can solve our scrum problem. How many more props are he going to try and destroy before he realize you have to scrum as a unit. He might have heard about the concept of scrum-as-a-unit but I am not sure he really understand how to get a pack to work as a unit.
@ Victoriabok:
“We hype up young players too much at school level, so much in fact when they arrive at senior level they think they just need to show up and the game is won. Pollard has been hyped up for so long he believes it.
He can have moments of brilliance and win a game on his on, but mostly his flyhalf play has been average or below average.”
At last, somebody sees the light. You can’t nominate somebody at the age of 16 to become a “future great”. He has to prove himself at senior rugby first.
Pollard’s performances as a starting fly half thus far:
2014:
vs Scotland (h): good …in a dominating Bok team.
vs Arg (h): kak
vs Arg (a): kak
vs AB (a): good
vs Aus (h): average
vs AB (h): very good
vs Ire (a): PATHETIC
vs Aus (a): average
vs AB (h): average
vs Arg (h): not good
Our 1st choice WC fly half!!!
But of course, all we are “allowed to remember about him, is his two tries against the AB last year. He booked his Bok place for the next 5 years with those tries. Or at least, as long as His Royal Heynekriek is still the coach. Which may well be until 2019, at least.
@ Charo:
Getting your own back, hey. Dangerous grounds, Charo.
You know full well that it is the fault of the “Last Outpost”.
And let no-one ever say again: “At least, we didn’t lose against them.” (Who used to say that?)
HM, the greatest fukkin pretender ever.
1st Bok coach to lose against the Argies.
1st Bok coach (with a prolonged contract) not to win the 3N or RC.
1st Bok coach (with a prolonged contract) to go without win throughout the 3N or RC.
1st Bok coach (with a prolonged contract) not to beat the All Blacks in NZ.
Some people will still have us believe that he is THE MAN.
Stoopid is stoopid!!!
HM’s legacy:
Shocking recent track record:
1. 7 defeats in most recent 11 tests;
2. Surrenders #2 world ranking of the Bokke to Ireland;
3. Coaches Bokke to the 1st ever defeat by Los Pumas, and this at home with a huge margin of defeat;
4. Loses all matches in 2015 TRC & directs the Bokke to a stone last finish in the tournament;
5. Has failed to lead the Bokke to even a single TRC or Tri Nations Championship victory during his 4 year tenure;
6. His epitaph:
He championed the cause of Yesterday’s Men, even when they were sick, lame, lazy or just plain disinterested,
He hastened and entrenched the departure of local SA rugby talent to foreign shores by steadfastly selecting foreign based SA rugby players, and
Under his watch transformation stalled …
HM is toast – and, sadly, so are the Bokke
If HM had been a Cabinet Minister in a Westminster system of government, he would in accordance with constitutional convention be individually responsible for the failure of his department/ministry and therefore honour bound to resign … HM likes talking about character.
With respect, HM has lost credibility and the power to lead … a RWC disaster looms, the Bokke are effectively rudderless …
Nama wrote:
First bok coach to loose against both Ireland and Wales on an EOYT. Boks have now lost 4 test matches in a row. After next weekend it will be 5 and HM will be the first coach to loose two matches in a row against Argentina. South Africa will then also be the only Southern hemisphere team that have lost a series against Argentina.
Watching a replay of the game atm. Since when has the presence of medics on the field of play stopped the game? Only when they, and the the player in need of treatment, are in possible danger/hamper the flow of the game afaic.
So, there should not be much of a problem with the 1st Argie try in the 2nd half imo. Boks were caught napping.
-Cue Bokke vs Ire some few years ago.
Naas Botha against EP in the 80’s when they thought he would go for poles. Instead, he tapped the ball, while walking back, turned around and scored in the corner. All this while the EP players were walking to stand behind the poles because they were expecting Naas to kick the penalty.
@ Angostura:
You still think I was too harsh on him and that he had a plan?
@ McLook:
“South Africa will then also be the only Southern hemisphere team that have lost a series against Argentina.”
He’ll just say that next weeks’ game is a “friendly” in preparation of the WC.
Coaching in SA are generally not outstanding. None of the S15 SA coaches stand out. Wales and Ireland have NZ oaches and it might a massive difference. Maybe time that SA look abroad for a coach who can take us to the next level.
made a massive difference
What this performance showed today is that we cannot play 3 high intensity games in a row. We performed very well in our 1st two games vs Aus and the AB. However, there was a definite dip in our performance today.
To win the RWC, you need to perform at your peak for 3 weeks in a row. That is, IF you go through to the knock out stages.
Aus…AB…Eng in succession.
Can we do that?
Nama wrote:
Correct. Our players are just not aware enough. Not reading situations; not seeing opportunities; not sensing dangerous situations hence unable to get of jail and losing matches we should have won. Against Oz we were 20-3 up and then went into defense mode and lost becuase we did not sense what was happening. In fact the few times we did get the ball (in the last 10 minutes while in defensive mode) we kicked it back to Australia.
@ McLook:
I actually don’t agree with that.
It is not so much about the coaching imo. It’s more about the philosophy about the game that certain coaches have.
HM believes in big, strong and stupid players.
Some other coaches may believe in slightly smaller, equally strong but clever players and build their game plan around that.
A 1st tier rugby nation like SA should NEVER appoint a coach from outside. Consultants maybe …but a head coach? NEVER!
What I saw from watching the last 20 minutes of the match on the replay on rugby channel was that we got beaten at the breakdowns. In spite of that we kept on slamming into them in the midfield. Whenever we did try and run the ball we knocked the ball or got slowed down at the collisions.
@ McLook:
Absolutely.
I blame that on the fact that we “coach” our players not to think for themselves. They should go onto the field and execute what “we” (the coaches) determined beforehand.
For example: Goosen was quoted as saying that when he played for the Boks under HM, he knew exactly what to do on which part of the field when he received the ball (and he enjoyed that).
On the other side, Naka allowed him to do his own thing when he played for the Cheetahs, no matter where on the field they were (he enjoyed that even more).
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