England (6) 28 / 31 (13) Springboks (Final Score)
England and the South African Springboks did battle in the End Of Year Tours at
Twickenham, London, England at 16:30 SA Time (14:30 BST & GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
England:
- Penalties – Owen Farrell (2), George Ford (1)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – David Wilson (1), Ben Morgan (1), Brad Barritt (1)
- Conversions – Owen Farrell (2)
Springboks:
- Penalties – Pat Lambie (3)
- Drop Goals – Pat Lambie (1)
- Tries – Jan Serfontein (1), Cobus Reinach (1), Schalk Burger (1)
- Conversions – Pat Lambie (2)
Teams:
England |
South African Springboks |
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Expected weather: Rain on Thursday, Friday and Sunday, but not, it seems, on Saturday when it will be partly cloudy with a high of 13°C and a low of 8°C.
Referee: Steve Walsh (Australia)
Assistant Referees: Jérôme Garcès (France),Nick Briant (New Zealand)
TMO: Eric Gauzins (France)
@ Jeraldjay:
That’s true. You could sense that he wanted to.
@ Nama:
Can’t imagine HM being nailed by a Supersport employee like that.
😆
Was a bit over the top.
IAAS wrote:
Correct.
I wear the label with pride,
@ Jeraldjay:
Nooiiit!!!
HM word met sy-sagte handskoene haneer, man.
Nama, Walsh should not take it personally – Saffers get nervous when ANY ref is appointed.
@ Nama:
The media loves HM.
Cant remember Keo criticising HM… must be their Bulle connection…
Lancaster does not respect the media… HM does
453 @ Stormersboy:
Me too, after not going there for many years I’m now 2/2 starting with the 2013 SR semi-final!
@ fender:
I recommend calmettes.
@ MacroBok:
“Old Faithful”.
HM can always count on you to come to his defense if there is just a hint of criticism leveled at him. Which isn’t even the case here.
@ Nama:
No at all, he gathers respect all by himself, no need for SARU spin doctors 😉
@ Nama:
Only ridiculously biased criticism… guess i would defend anyone.
BrumbiesBoy wrote:
It’s a gift!
😀
@ MacroBok:
I’m curious to what your thoughts are of post 446?
Looks like it’s not just me that is totally wrong, there are some other people who are also wrong
Walsh suggested it was the citing commissioner’s problem, as he had missed it completely. He then chirped, ‘Well, they haven’t replayed it on the big screen like they usually do’. All Blacks coach Steve Hansen complained about this last week. The trend is for TV producers to replay an incident with the aim of influencing the referee and aiding the home team. On this occasion, Walsh pointed out that he wasn’t going to get any help from the English broadcasters, and suggested that South Africa shouldn’t expect any favours either
Oh, and well done to Nortie’s Frogs, glad I didn’t watch the game.
@ nortie:
If it is dirty play then Walsh has every right indeed he should go check himself if there was any serious foul play.
“Then there was the moment when the Boks cried foul over some incident that had occurred in back play.”
This is very vague, if the allegations was serious he has to check.
The only one I can think of was during a driving maul where the maul broke apart and 3 english players were holding onto beast allowing the player to stroll right past him, this was displayed on the replay, but ignored by the officials.
@ BrumbiesBoy:
I see you picked the Ozmob by 18 😆
What were you thinking?
@ MacroBok:
… but that was not worthy of a sighting,
The ref though has a duty to check for allegations of trampling, biting, scratching, eye gouging etc, this is out of the hand of the TV producer, at least it was in this case.
Chaps, let’s mosey on over to the Ireland / Georgia thread… that game is in 15 minutes.
@ MacroBok:
I’m referring to this bit “He then chirped, ‘Well, they haven’t replayed it on the big screen like they usually do’. All Blacks coach Steve Hansen complained about this last week. The trend is for TV producers to replay an incident with the aim of influencing the referee and aiding the home team. On this occasion, Walsh pointed out that he wasn’t going to get any help from the English broadcasters”
Which is entirely incorrect according to you and a couple of others here 😆
Because, heaven forbid, it doesn’t happen, it’s only a figment of my (and now it would seem others as well) imagination.
a TV producer swaying the referee, never, it can’t be
@ MacroBok:
I think it refers to the incident where Habana caught the ball with his one feet in touch. The assistant ref ruled that his feet was in the air and that he took the ball out. From the ensuing line out, the English scored a try. JdV then approached Walsh and asked him to take a look at what happened back where Habana took the catch. Walsh just shrugged and walked away waiting for the conversion to be taken.
nortie wrote:
Any ground in the entire world shows replays on the big screen, do you suggest big screens are banned? 😀
@ MacroBok:
That was never my issue, my issue has always been that the producers can in fact sway a referee, with the assistance of the crowd, if he selectively plays certain incidents over and over on the big screen.
You disagree with that
Nama wrote:
There was that case, but surely the sighting commissioner would have no part in that?
And there is nothing Jean could do when the instance happened a few phases ago… It was all in vain at that point.
@ nortie:
No my argument is that the crowd plays an exponentially larger role than any tv producer in swaying the referee.
“if he selectively plays certain incidents over and over on the big screen”
As far as I call replays are shown between plays, and not “over and over”, unless you are suggesting that they even show replays in a loop while the live game is in play?
@ MacroBok:
Ellis Park ring a bell?
But, I’m just glad it’s now not only me that is wrong, there are some others out there that is also wrong with me. 😆
IF there is a crowd reaction, they might show a replay from a different angle, as I or any spectator would ecpect going to a live rugby match
@ MacroBok:
Now if only Walsh, Hansen and Mallett had also listened to Angostura, they would also in future think twice before rather not giving their opinions, especially if it isn’t in line with popular belief.
474 @ MacroBok:
Yes, during a break in play….while the game is live they just show the live play
@ nortie:
Why is your legs getting damp again? 😆
@ nortie:
The same happened at Newlands in the currie cup semi final with TV replays shown on the big screen and the crowds reaction. I dont blame the TV producer, but the ref that allowed himself to be influenced by the crown, the tv producers has no control of that, same as what happened in Ellis Park (Right decision), Twickenham last week (Right decision was reached) and Eden Park last year (Wrong decision by the ref).
You always agree with Mallet, Hansen and steve walsh? Brendan Venter wrote an excellent article this week to that affect.
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