Waratahs (17) 41 / 13 (13) Lions (Final Score)
The Waratahs and Lions did battle in Super Rugby at
Allianz Stadium, Sydney at 08:05 SA Time (16:05 AEST, 06:05 GMT).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1, SHD & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
Waratahs:
- Penalties – Bernard Foley (2)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Bernard Foley (1), Kurtley Beale (1), Rob Horne (2), Adam Ashley-Cooper (1)
- Conversions – Bernard Foley (5)
Lions:
- Penalties – Marnitz Boshoff (2)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Jaco Kriel (1)
- Conversions – Marnitz Boshoff (1)
Teams:
Waratahs |
Lions |
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Referee: Nick Briant (New Zealand)
Assistant Referees: Angus Gardner (Australia), Andrew Lees (Australia)
TMO: George Ayoub (Australia)
179 @ Tassies:
Yeah, but the Chiefs “Shine Period” should also be brief, considering the money constraints… as would the Cheetahs, if they have one.
What is a terrible crime is that the Lions, in a strong financial hub, is so shit… they do not have good excuses for that, except a massive debt ratio at present.
Their Administrators are hyper shit though… and that is the problem.
That is also the way the Cape Clubs Rugby Mafia is steering the WP & Stormers and where a kak contracting oke is steering the Bulls, unfortunately.
@ grootblousmile: The Lions never recovered from the stranglehold the Luyt dynasty held over the company. By all accounts it was a complex web to unravel once the master ducked. Usually in circumstances like that, complexity equals damage and destruction. Louis ruled by divine right. Everybody feared the man apparently. That is no environment in which to build something. It usually collapses with the king. Which is what I believe happened in the case of the Transvaal/Lions Union. The brand is in dire need of repair. Its going to take a mighty effort to rebuild.
@ Tassies:
Great to hook up with you again!
Let the good times roll!
See you at the games (I seldom blog during the week).
Cheers.
182 @ Tassies:
I do not know if I understand you right or not.
Do you mean Luyt left the Union, already in financial strife OR do you mean his successors could not handle the complexities of the business model and web he built and left, surrounding the Union, Ellis Park & Subsidiaries – and subsequently drove the Union financially down the tubes, as a direct result of their incompetency?
I say the latter part is the correct summation and that the Union (and bits and bobs around) was financially safe, sound and strong when Luyt left and vacated office.
In other words, I am saying the succesors were not strong enough and business savvy enough and wise enough to continue with the empire and it’s intricacies and ran it aground in not too many years.
You see, I’ve been privvy to some of the financial Statements of the Union in recent years (unfortunately I won’t divulge where I got them from) and from around the 2000 Luyt era to recently it went from far in the GREEN to very farken deep in the RED, meaning the Union has fallen deeper into the red by the tune of about R 10 million per year if not more, so much so that a current factual evaluation of assets vs liabilities leaves the Union (as a bunch of companies and subsidiaries) factually insolvent, and if the right creditor(s) had to push hard enough, the Union will not be able to withstand a liquidation, unless saved by a major, major financial injection.
Luyt was a singular individual, whether one hates or loves him… I did not know the man so I stand absolutely neutral on him.
He certainly knew how to run a successful operation, whether by decree or ruling by fear or whatever means or how – he made things work.
He also at least had enough balls when he was and / or controlled SARU – regarding negotiations with insiders, Unions, outsiders, third parties, SANZAR, NZRU, ARU and the IRB.
His successors have been limp dicks in comparison, selling SOUTH AFRICAN RUGBY down the river in comparison.
Before Luyt, Doc Craven at least was also strong enough and ruled with an irlon fist, compared to the monkeys & ding-dongs controlling SARU now – Jurie Roux, Oregan Hoskins and their circus clan!
There’s a lot to be said against a despot and a dictator such as Luyt, we all know and acknowledge that, but it sure beats the exact opposite scenario, if you ask me!
That the GLRU is in dire need and in dire need of repair, is absolutely correct but I do not see the man with the right balls to do it in their near future.
@ grootblousmile: You would know more than I GB for sure. But I’m speaking in generalities when I say King Louis ruled by decree. It was a one show pony. Profitable certainly. If I recall it was once the wealthiest rugby union on the planet according to some. But when you rule in that way, the succession plan which needs to be implemented to ensure continuity simply isn’t there and a balls-up usually follows. That is what I was implying. I don’t know the details but if I was a guessing man I’d have to believe Ellis Park (the stadium) was a serious money-spinner and most of the buck evolved around that asset. But its just a guess.
@ Pietman: Ditto Piet.
@ Tassies:
Hey Tassies
Bluebird = Carol.
Welcome to Rugby Talk, this is not Keo but it is a friendly place to meet up and as you have identified there are lots of familiar folks here so it will not be too tricky to slot right back in!!
@ Tassies:
@ grootblousmile:
The problem I have with the Lions is that they fail to learn from their errors.
Minancially they must now (once again) be on the brink of a disaster and are moist likely extending the overdraft with Ellis Park as collatoral.
As you say GBS, the strustures that Loius set up were EXTREMELY complex and took nearly 4 years to unravel. The then CFO Peet Buys and CEO Andy Turner started the process, but changes at the top level really hampered the whole issue.
The GLRU is basically controlled financially by the GLRU Trust who effectively “lend” the various companies money for operational expenses.
Trust me, while it’s still somewhat complicated, it’s now less so that in LL’s day.
I just don’t see who there is at the Union to take them forward back into the sunshine.
Oh, by the way, I WILL NEVER support another SA team. I may well not actively support the Lions, but I certainly won’t be rushing to the nearest street corner to buy a Sharks, Bulls or Stormers jersey. (Not until after the Full Frontal Lobotomy at least.)
Scrumdown wrote:
Puma error!
Minancially = FINANCIALLY
moist = MOST
And let us not forget, that while Ellis Psrk is owned by the GLRU Trust, the land that it stands on is not.
The GLRU rent it under a 99 year lease agreement from the City of JHB at a nominal rent.
The lease was renewed in the last 190 years if memory serves me correctly.
Vark me, should have stayed in bed.
Typing errors abound. Too early for the salt mine!
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