Springboks (9) 15 / 57 (12) All Blacks (Final Score)
The South African Springboks and New Zealand All Blacks did battle in The Rugby Championship 2016 at
Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban, at 17:05 SA Time (15:05 GMT, Sunday 04:05 NZ Time).
This was the live match discussion Article.
The match was broadcast LIVE on SuperSport 1 & M-Net on TV in SA.
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Scorers:
Springboks:
- Penalties – Morné Steyn (5)
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – 0
- Conversions – 0
All Blacks:
- Penalties – 0
- Drop Goals – 0
- Tries – Israel Dagg (2), TJ Perenara (2), Beauden Barrett (2), Cody Taylor (1), Ben Smith (1), Liam Squire (1)
- Conversions – Beauden Barrett (3), Lima Sopoaga (3)
Teams:
South African Springboks |
New Zealand All Blacks |
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Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Assistant Referees: Johnny Lacey (Ireland), George Clancy (Ireland)
TMO: Jim Yuille (Scotland)
9 tries to nil. Kind of rugby you’d expect when a first tier team takes on a third tier team
Springboks 15 / 57 All Blacks
Game over!
A 42 point, 9 try thrashing!
@ Just For Kicks:
Ciao Kickers, good to see you mate!
South African Springboks (9) 15 / 57 (12) New Zealand All Blacks (Final Score)
WOW… the 2nd Half hurt…. it stings…
Now we know what Allister Coetzee is REALLY capable of….
@ The_Young_Turk:Likewise Turky, just a shame it must be at a wake that we meet up!
Biggest ever defeat for the Boks on home soil.
Okay seen enough. Pleased I was overseas for most the Bok games except this one and never seen us play like this as it hurts badly watching this.. our days are sadly over as a great rugby nation.
Cheers everyone. Good to catch up.
Phweeeew!
What does one say after a massive loss like this??
220 @ Puma:
Tjorts!
Sadly this was totally expected. Days of greatness are over for the Boks. Just have to accept it.
The golden thread of The Rugby Championship for the Springboks was that we NEVER had sufficient possession and territory… NEVER!
The other obvious and glaring inability was no penatration on attack… it was stoid and imaginaintionless rugby by the Springboks!
Mallett says the 1st half was a brave performance but that that there was nothing good to take out of the game.
To me, the try count against us says it all!
Mallett says he was relieved to hear the final whistle…
Where to from here is the question in the studio, after the game…
Joe, you are so right. A powerful piece written by a wise man on Supersport:
Joe Matthew
I understand Gavin that for you to keep your job you can’t mention the Elephant in the room, so I’ll do it for you. When you say the problem lies with administrators I’m sure you mean the political administrators. The coaches might be unqualified or unsuited, and when you add in the “administrative” interference it then makes the job impossible for the coach. This actually shows how good coaches like Mallet, White and even Meyer were. They still had the “administrative” influence and yet were still able to maintain a decent record. Even de Villiers was able to look decent because he could work around a team he inherited from White, a World Cup winning team that even the great Richie McCaw respected. I can’t understand how nobody can recognize in 2015 Meyer was sued for being racist and not meeting goals, and after that was when the rot started sinking in, I think everyone also has “administrative” blinkers on! You add that into the current coaches lap, and the heavy push for these goals, with players and coaching staff, and you have your current predicament.
If this Indaba is simply going to look at coaching, structures, succession planning, then they’re wasting their, and everyone’s, time. The indaba needs to have the “honorable” minister present and he needs to be tongue lashed for not implementing development at grassroots, for not taking our tax money from his yearly budget to help underprivileged schools develop rugby and other sports, for insighting racism by blaming whites for not meeting transformation goals when government is the main problem, for implementing a racist policy in the first place. This is the Indaba that is needed for rugby and sports in this country. And I’d like to also point something out that also proves my point.
SuperSport has the #loverugby advertisement, and has the sole rights to broadcast all forms of rugby in South Africa. The only way underprivileged can watch the game is to own DSTV, which costs close to the minimum wage in South Africa. Every level of rugby, from schoolboy through to international is broadcast on SuperSport. How can you encourage the growth of a sport when only upper middle class and upper class can afford to watch it. Cricket and Soccer are broadcast on national television stations and anybody can watch it, with minimum cost. This effects player and coaching interest.
But here’s my point, you can’t blame SuperSport for this, the government has the financial means to broadcast rugby on national television, but they don’t, instead they enforce transformation into a sport which hardly anybody has the means to watch. Same with SARU, you can’t blame them for underdevelopment in rugby, they’re doing what they can for the sport, but government needs to play a bigger part. This is one reason why transformation is the biggest cause of the demise of our rugby. And this is why players, administrators, coaches and many supporters are seeking greener pastors overseas, because nobody is willing to point this simple truth out and take a stand. Until this issue is confronted, our rugby will never achieve to a respectable level, and rugby will continue to spiral downwards. Strange how we are still achieving reasonably well in cricket but our rugby is not, do the math people.
Naas Botha says… and rightly so that there will have to be radical change. He says we never talk about our attack… we always have to talk about our defence.
He says our mindset is wrong…
He is just echoing how we all feel!
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@ grootblousmile: We need a better coach its clear we can all see it. No game plan selections too not good enough. We out our depth with this coach coaching our Boks. He has to go but wont.
Cheers boet out if here now. Gosh what a first game of Boks to watch this year? Just dreadful..
@ similar :
well it starts at the top(as it usually should).
Politicians should not be running a sport. What do they know about sport (about anything really). Once they get their grubby little paws on a sport, it’s one way traffic. Not too long ago, SA rugby was a powerhouse in the world of rugby. In a relatively short space of time, it’s been brought to its knees. In similar fashion to the country as a whole. Our rugby needs a shake-up. Big-time. Or their wont be any supporters to pay the bills and the lights will be switched off.
Is there anybody out there listening?
@ Tassies:
Sorry Tassies but it’s just sad to blame transformation and the government for the situation of our rugby. That doesn’t explain why we lose to Argentina and Japan and is just racism in disguise.
Starting to rain here… just need to go get my one Braai inside quickly… back now!
@ grootblousmile:
GB, maybe we needed to reach this low point before people(all of us) needed to be woken up to the reality of just how far our beloved sport has slumped. It didn’t start with the current coach’s appointment. It started way before that. Clearly, AC is not a high quality coach of an international team. It’s pretty bloody obvious. Results like today’s aren’t a figment of someone’s imagination. It happened. It’s real. It’s also a disgrace that it’s allowed to reach this point. Like our country’s governance. Something has to give.
I’m personally going to boycott rugby until something changes. When I get back home, I’m switching off DSTV for a start. If enough people do that, it will soon be felt in the corridors of power.
F&$k them. I’ve finally had enough.
Maybe it is time for a complete re-think about team selections too…
Centres like Rohan Janse van Rensburg, Francois Venter…
A new captain and hooker… and for goodness sakes, forget about the Mbonambi’s and Oupa Mohoje…
Our loose trio is simply not good enough, to help equalize the possession stakes and / or to slow ball sufficiently!
Apart from the head coach who is simply not good enough, the Assistant Coaches like Johann van Graan is way out of his depth!
We need CENTRAL CONTRACTING like the New Zealand System!
We need a stance against Overseas-based players in the team, like New Zealand does!
We need micro-skill training, right accross the board of our whole Provincial, Super Rugby and National rugby.
We need THINKING RUGBY!
Anyway… tonight’s game between the Pumas vs Wallabies should be interesting… at Twickenham in London!
@ The_Young_Turk:
Well I’d like to agree to disagree. Our rugby’s demise is everything to do with politics and racism. And let me make it very clear; I exclude the word ‘transformation’ in that statement for good reason. I believe we owe it to our fellow South Africans to provide the opportunities and transform for everyone to have a chance at success and a place in the sun. But there is a right way and a wrong way. Alastair is a nice guy and a good coach. Just not the right coach and certainly not the best coach for the Springboks.
I grew up with the despicable Nationalist government whom many of us despised and hated. They politically interfered with our lives and sport(remember the Broederbond?). The new government many of us voted in, was supposed to change all that and for a while it appeared as if we were on course for the good. That changed with Mbeki and made a monumental shift with the introduction of the latest bafoon to occupy the Union buildings and his fat little self-important sports minister. It should be no surprise really, that rugby, which is the most interfered with of our sports, has hit skid row. It started skidding a while back and just reached a new low today.
I can draw a sharp parallel between the present government and the old Nat government and its not making me happy.
Just my take on things.
@ privileged :
it’s all there to see at school level GB. Well at some of the privileged schools anyway. It needs to be broadened to reach the poorer kids, specialist academies built and developed to identify and harness talent and the coaching profession grown and professionalised. Its not rocket science. Just needs leadership and application. Aim at the grassroots. Patience and the harvest will come. That’s what a sports minister is supposed to deliver.
A total mindshift in how SA play the game are required. Like in Alcoholics Anonymous you first need to admit you’ve got a problem. No mindshift is possible until you accept/admit you need to change.
Unfortunately, most people need to hit rock bottom before they admit they have a problem.
The Lions smashed into the ocean floor a few years back. That forced them to admit they have a problem and that they need to change. That took them to place where they were prepared to do what ever it takes to get better. The ‘whatever it takes’ in their case was to agree and accept that they will have to keep trying to play differently even if they loose initially. The focus was not on winning but on improving; on getting better at playing running rugby.
This year they were by far the best SA franchise. Their supporters pitch in during their transformation in the sense they also started to focus on percentages and not on winning.
The same is required for Springbok rugby. A more patient public who support the change and who focus more on percentages and less on pulling the coach apart every time the team loses.
Once the public back off, then I believe, coaches like Mallett and Small might be more willing to take the coaching job again.
Whether it’s Mallett/Small or Ackermann who coach the boks the public needs to backoff and allow the coach and team space to transform.
I reckon we need another two seasons of losing like this against opponents like England, Ireland, Argentina, Oz and NZ to set the stage.
In saying all the above I still believe we should not move away from our traditional strengths. An approach similar to what Eddie Jones did with England should be followed. Identify your strengths but work on your running game so that you are more flexible.
The primary change is to shift away from trying to bash through opponents. If you look at the ABs you notice that their primary strategy is to identify and attack space. This in my opinion is the basic problem with SA rugby. Coaches and players in SA just does not really understand this concept of attacking space.
Hello all
Rough day for me so no Rugby.
Really nice to see so many “old” RT bloggers were here.
A dissapointing outcome but deep down I am sure we all knew it was coming .
I do not think we will see any coaching changes soon, so 3 more years of this to come it would seem.
The EOYT should show us the real depth of the problem, & the squad selection will most likely give us an early indicator as to the way forward, short term at least.
Cheers everyone.
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