It’s PUB NIGHT again…
The heading suggests we talk about the past weekend’s rugby, where 3 South African sides recorded wins in Super Rugby and I think that qualifies as a good weekend of rugby!
Unfortunately the DHL Stormers and Toyota Cheetahs let South Africans down… baaadly, sis on you muppits!
This weekend is Easter Weekend, but the rugby will continue, 2 games on Easter Friday and 4 games on Saturday.
I guess this makes for a few good discussions!
It is time to straddle a bar stool and order a drink or 2.
Let’s focus on the PUB tonight…. the idea with PUB NIGHT is to lighten up our dull Tuesday evenings with music, comedy and fun.
Rugby takes a backseat tonight as the clan and fellow rugby nutters gather and wheel in their old friends…
Read the rules below carefully, or you WILL get burnt!
Just for clarity sake, when someone does not adhere to the Rules of the PUB, EVERYBODY jumps on them and pummels them, right… understood?
Here’s how it works:
- Before you are allowed to greet, comment or take part in general discussion about anything else, you enter the PUB with a lekker Music Video found on Youtube.
- You copy the URL (web address) of the clip… and you make sure it is NOT the Mobile version of the URL (the Mobile version has a solitary “m” in the beginnig of the URL… just replace the “m” with “www” if there is a solitary “m” somewhere).
- Sometimes you have to replace the “http” part with “https” too… but we do not take excuses, we will pummel you anyway!
- You Paste the URL into the Comment Form Box of this Article and you SUBMIT your comment.
- Your video will appear in the Comments section.
- If you fail with your attempt and it does not appear, we WILL kak you out, we will pummel you with insults… and LAUGH at you, you silly muppit!
- Once you have a successful Video loaded, you can take part in the discussion and add more music, but beware, every broken link will cop you an “Uitkak” and a laugh at your expense.
- Failure to abide by the rules, will be punished by requiring you to say a seriously denigrating thing about the Provincial / Club side you support and asking all of us, by name, for forgiveness and acknowledging our clear superiority.
- Most important rule: Nobody is allowed to get angry… this is all in good fun!
Fire away!
Today, our FIRST VIDEO will be this one, here it is!
Come on, show me up, do better than me!
If you screw around with a team 1am in the morning after 20 years of not winning a World Cup,, people are going to be pissed off.
if we won………….. but we didn’t………….
it would still have been a crazy move to pull.
fml
or 25 years, or ever, whatever.
How sweet, I see his nickname is “Poey”!
I’m also pretty sure he can understand Afrikaans so he can expect some more “nasty, nasty” words on Saturday…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-01/brumbies-name-david-pocock-to-face-cheetahs/6365352
Nortie, you really are ignorant about how much it shows how little you know.
I think you have completed the circle of your own futility.
Nz played great cricket, in their own backyard, excellent.
so they won. are they a better team? probably not. Did they get the best results yes.
If you don’t see how we lost this WC, through yet another sequence of incredible events, as only that…
and that people will point out the compounding factors.
Of which there are many. D/L fu cup of note….. being reason no1.
@ shooter:
Really?
Please explain to me in your infinite and obvious wisdom how we were the better team.
Start by looking for the excuses of why we managed to lose 3 games, of which one was the vital knock out game.
Then look at the Proteas record over the last 18 months against the top 4 teams and show where we are better than them.
Those sour grapes must be making your mouth pucker up quite a lot.
109 @ nortie:
While this one is clearly April fool stuff I think in the long run that this is exactly what rugby players will need to do to try and force the hand of World Rugby to ensure the disciplinary process is handled better than it currently is, and not necessarily only the players who have to appear before the panels but also the players who don’t but are victims of foul play to players who aren’t dealt with appropriately. It is a physical game and some things like knocks from knees of players running at full tilt and not able to stop in time are understandable but things like the choking of Botma is clearly premeditated thuggery that wasn’t dealt with properly. There has been some discussion over here about certain teams using the choke tackle technique (I know different to what happened at the bottom of the ruck), in one case Mark Bennett was floored by one in a game this season and I think he ended up blacking out for a very short time.
So in future one would like to see someone like Botma taking SANZAR/World Rugby to some higher court, but of course when one has a career in front of you in rugby you will be very loath to do this.
124 @ shooter:
One thing which nortie was quite clear on during the tournament was that he thought de Kock should not be opening the batting as he was out of form, and in the end this view was vindicated. Question is why didn’t the guys with all their cricketing wisdom around the team, selectors, coach, captain see this and fix it, I mean if us folk who merely follow the game could see it surely they could. de Kock could have been shifted down the order to come in and blast the ball around the park late in the innings if needed and he would not have been remembered as being a failure with the bat and his keeping (which he is there for first and foremost) could have been the yardstick by which he was judged.
For whatever reason blunders such as these and others were made in team selection, another one is when I woke on the morning (our time) of the final and the game was well underway I was gobsmacked that one of our better bowlers especially early on, Abott, was not selected and said as much here, that he was replaced by someone who had been injured and not necessarily in form was an even bigger mystery. I said as much at the time on here, acknowledging that Vern is a very good cricketer but just wasn’t in form to be selected for that game.
We made quite a few mistakes, and as I have posted before, the form teams won. Nortie is right, we were the worst performing team out of the top 4 that played the semis.
There was no choking going on, just form.
Still, I also think that with the game coming down to the last over, we could have won, and it does make me wonder if the last minute shenanigans may have influenced the mindset of some of the players just enough to have made the difference?
Yes if we had 50 overs we probably could have taken the game away from them, as we clearly played to a plan that was relying on building towards the final 10 overs, but rain cut that short, handing the advantage to NZ for sure, but still, we had 300 runs to defend in less than 14 overs which should have been possible.
A confluence of unfortunate events of which this debacle (if it’s true) is certainly one of them.
nortie wrote:
I agree with this… just feels like we are looking for excuses now.nortie wrote:
hahaha 😆
@ robzim:
So you have no point
shooter wrote:
dont bother nortie didnt even watch the game.
😆
128 @ Stormersboy:
I’m sure both captains were aware of the rain that was looming.
McCullum bowled his top bowlers out by round about the 30th over, therefor ensuring that they could complete their allotted 10 overs. Good captaincy and obviously aware of the D/L rules.
Why did the Proteas not push the run rate then either?
We had the same weather report that they had.
Yet, thanks to Miller, we still got a very decent score.
Then the D/L system even added more runs to our total.
I don’t believe any side who couldn’t defend 300 in 43 overs deserve to win a match, that is the simple truth.
That’s a hell of a score for your bowlers to be able to defend, and if they can’t, then maybe they aren’t as good as the supporters would like to believe.
The SA bowling attack only had one decent game, and that was against Sri Lanka. That game they won for us, the others the batsmen won.
And by bowling attack I refer to all the bowlers in the squad, not just one.
Why is no one having a go at Steyn? Against the Sri Lankans he looked menacing, angry eyes and all that, yet, didn’t fire in the other matches. Couldn’t defend 12 against NZ.
Our captain, prior to the semi, was all cock a hoop and telling all and sundry how nothing was going to stop us, but after losing found humility. Why is no one asking why didn’t he just zip his lip and get on with things?
People get to emotional about how close the semi was and what a great game it was, but forget about all the games that preceded that game where we clearly didn’t look like the worlds best side.
@ MacroBull:
Yes, I didn’t watch the whole game, but I did watch all the other games, including those games that featured sides that played better through the tournament.
I may be ignorant, but I’m not blind, and I can see which teams deserved to play in the final and which team deserved to win the cup
127 @ Bullscot:
The thing is with all our different opinions is that, QdK was still the best option at the WC imo, more than anything IF we could go back in the past, maybe they could have included Morne van Wyk instead of Farhan or Parnel or Pangiso… but that would have opened a whole new can of worms.
In my opinion our planning was shit, we dragged Mclaren along the last few years to leave him out at the last minute, even Lopsy could fall in that catagory, Parnel never deserved to go in their places.
Philander was ignored for years in the ODI team only to be brought in very recently (end of 2013).
And there is Amla who has failed in ANOTHER knockout game.
We can blame alot, but we definitely cant blame individual players… The short and simple, we were not good enough and we are not good enough to win knockouts for now.
@ nortie:
was still a good game, no matter how badly you wanted us to lose “to prove a point” 😉
Bullscot wrote:
Ordinary courts of law will likely not have jurisdiction for an appeal on the merits (by a player) against an adverse finding of a disciplinary tribunal. Each sporting code has its own tribunal, headed by its own experts, & regulated by its own appeal rules/procedures, & likely has its own ultimate & final disciplinary authority/body (which is unlikely to be an ordinary civilian court).. I cannot see any court in a well developed & respected legal domicile entertaining such an appeal ON THE MERITS. Normal law courts will be reluctant to the substitute their non expert/non sporting decisions for the expert sporting decisions of sports tribunals.
That does not mean that players don’t have legal redress to ordinary courts of law, but only that it will likely be by way of REVIEW (not appeal) & very limited in its grounds for review & in its ambit. Review procedures will likely be limited to the following:
1. Proven lack of impartiality & consequential failure of self-recusal by the presiding officer;
2. The tribunal’s failure to follow stipulated procedures/rules;
3. Failure to apply natural justice, i.e. failure to hear ‘both sides of the story’ and/or to grant both sides equal opportunity to present their case & test the opponent’s case; and/or
4. Failure by the presiding officer(s) to properly apply his/their mind(s) to the facts of the matter.
On review the errors/misdirections will then be pointed out by the reviewing Court and the matter will likely be referred back to the initial tribunal for reconsideration & rectification.
(imo)
@ nortie:
We have been watching enough cricket to believe that no matter how good you can be for 20 games before a knockout, you could even be the best team in the world, if you lose then it all falls away… and we have been there before.
Why cant it work the other way around? Were you still have been cynical had we won, because arguably you would have said that we were not as good as the other 4 teams… but who cares?
Was a game where they just had more guts and more determination to win, something we see from the All Blacks all the time.
136 @ MacroBull:
Do you think I wouldn’t have wanted us to win the WC?
Of course I do, same as I want us to win the rugby later in the year.
Did I think we would, no, simply because I couldn’t see us (or any other team ) beating the Aussies at home in a final.
The same way I can’t see us winning the rugby WC.
Not because I don’t want us to, simply because there are teams out there that is better than us, and luck will win you maybe 1 game in the play off phases, not 3 in a row
Only SkoppensBRU(r) counts
Nothing else matters
@ nortie:
With a whole lot of bad luck it should balance out eventually 🙂
@ nortie:
I think we can win if we dont bullshit ourselves, even our supposed Springbok combination at center pale in comparison to quality NZ centers, as long as we dont pretend that the Springboks and Meyer needs to play an elaborate expansive gameplan, when our teams outside the CC just cant… we can still win with skop en jaag 😆
@ MacroBull:
but Bulls skop en jaag, not Sharks and Stormers skop en jaag.
Nobody on their right mind can say that the selection of Philander cost us the game.
That’s not the point here. The point is that it ses as if the politicians have become selectors again and they and CSA seem determined to cover it up.
If Fikile the Condom Buster is indeed a selector then give him (aXXL) blazer and make it official.
As to any effect it had on our performance I wonder what the atmosphere in the change room was like before the game?
I also wonder about the damage done to a guy like Big Vern who has been a total star for SA?
That’s the real tragedy.
@ MacroBull:
are you talking about the Stormers springbok centres?
145 @ gunther:
Yes, best combination out there 😆
144 @ gunther:
It had to have had an effect.
Philander left the field as well as soon as his minimum required overs were bowled, didn’t bother sticking around to bowl another 1 if he had to.
147 @ MacroBull:
That is if he wasnt just asked to leave to bring on Behardien who will be a quicker fielder… Occams Razor.
nortie wrote:
But the Aussies won’t be playing at home in the rugby WC, and how do you already know they will be in the final
@ Bullscot:
Nortie knows
Kyknet die Superbru.
😆
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