I am even though I have tried to see this in a positive light, of the opinion that Lambie is being set up here to fail.
Since joining the Bok setup Lambie has been coached to play differently, and also one can see his kicking style has changed, as well as his tackling, another thing of course as mentioned he now stands deep in the pocket.
Now for me it is no use telling one player he can play his natural style and not the rest of his team mates who are not used to the style Lambie normally plays, bar of course one or 2 of the players.
If one looks at the forwards it is easy to see why a plain running rugby style struggles as the ball in phases are always slow as the tight 5 are not hitting a ruck as they should.
The looseforward trio, although playing well and defending well as a unit, are very slow in getting to breakdowns thus most of the ball has already been slowed down or been lost.
In the previous matches, to take Juandré Kruger as an example and as I re-watched the matches again, where one is not all nervous as to who is going to win et cettera, it was interesting to see how little this player was doing, how many tackles he missed (7 in 2 matches) and also how poor his attention to what his job was at the broken play.
By the way, on 3 of the 7 missed tackles it was Lambie who had to make the cover tackle for the tackle missed by Juandré.
Now getting to the backline, who again are nowhere and this is where my biggest concern is and why I have this feeling Lambie is being set up to fail.
Firstly the players in the backline are not honed in to play an attacking running game as has been seen so far, and all one has to do is break up the backline into individuals.
Zane Kirchner, all be it he has been secure on defense and the high ball, is not even an integral part of the backline. He never joins the backline and he never runs running lines to create overlaps, he never hits the line at pace thus leaving the backline a man short whenever they attack.
Wings cannot be blamed here, as it comes not due to the lack of coaching and although JP Pietersen does do this, one hardly sees Francois Hougaard do anything besides defend, who by the way is very poor under the high balls.
Centre play is a huge problem and it matters not how many passes Lambie makes, but if the ball is not passed further that the No 12, no move will be successful, Jean de Villiers just does not pass.
I do not really want to lay blame at the feet of Juan de Jongh here, as even though he is known as a ball hog too. He had his first match and actually played well but never received the ball to be able to pass it to the next player.
Now to scrumhalf, where Ruan Pienaar also seems to be under some form of coaching and under instruction to play a kick-and-chase game or who knows what. Ruan, when he came on as a substitute in the English tour to South Africa series in June was in the situation that his service was snappy, yes he had faster service than Francois Hougaard and his option taking was good.
Suddenly Ruan is slow behind the srums and rucks and kicks 90% of possession away – and a kick one must remember is only as good as the chaser – and in the case of the past two Test matches it became an attacking weapon for our opponents against us.
Lambie is clearly very unsure as to his role and has looked out of place, something we don’t see when he plays for his provincial team, this also does not help towards flow in the backline.
There is also the problem of forwards in the backline and it is probably the biggest problem we have, as our forwards do not try attacking with off-loads and creative play, they all run to steam roller the defense in front of them, where they go to ground and ball is taken off them or slowed down.
I am sure if one looks more closely you would find more issues in our play, so how will one man in our team be able to make us a running rugby attacking team if it is not entreched in the whole team’s mindsets, and not an integral part of their style of play and drummed into them or being the style they play at their provinces?
This is the reason for saying Patrick Lambie is being set up, be it on purpose by the coaching staff or not, and to be very honest one can say the same for a few players in the Bok setup as one can’t see Juan de Jongh weave magic if he never gets the ball for example.
sharky @ 51
look, i’m (as usual) gonna err on the side of caution here
..
i also read the article on rugby365 that had you going, so heres my thoughts on it:
1. its just poor journalism intend at getting reaction
2. heyneke got his wires crossed
how can i say he’s (propably) got his wires crossed or gets his messages misunderstood:
1. the message from the camp for the whole of the EOY Tour has been “we’d rather take an ugly win”
2. the message to lambie was “we want you to improve on your tactical kicking, kicking out of hand etc”
3. now (according to the media) heyneke want him closer to the gainline, to take the ball up more etc etc etc (his more natural game”
if 1, 2, and 3 are all indeed correct (which i doubt .. knowing a bit of the media by now),
THEN lambie is indeed set-up to fail (not ‘aspris” though)
but
due to the fact that
1. their no natural ball players around him to allow him to do it (anyone see kirchner coming in on the angle? anyone?)
2. if this was against scotland i wouldve said kudus, but england? come-on!!
..
question then is (as i’ve said before) no matter whether he’s set up to fail or not … thing is, if he fail, will he get another chance or not?
I don’t buy the deliberate setup thing.
The fact is, Heynecke has a certain pattern of play that he wants the boks to play, a-la 2009/10 when they dominated the world. Whomever he picks at 9,10,12 & 13 are coached to play the way he feels will enable the forwards to dominate and win the game.
Lambie plays a different style, as do many of the Sharks players. Morne is used to this style as it is the same as his provincial style, but not so with the other no 10’s. The most successful no 10 will be the one who is able to properly execute that style.
It’s not just the 10’s job. The rest of the backline including the 9 & 12 have to play in a very specific way for this to work.
The reason that he likes big strong 12 & 13 players is because he wants strong physical players on defense who can not just tackle, but also form part of the ensuing ruck if required. In the Ireland game Jean De Villiers hit the second most rucks after FLo.
The scrummies are given a great deal of responsibility, a tactic that is a South African uniqueness, but the problem is that in order for the Box kick to work the accuracy has to be 100%, which very few were able to do.
We missed an opportunity to put the All Blacks away on New Zealand this year through poor execution of this very tactic, which was working, so HM does have some method to his madness.
Lambie has to have a split personality if he wants to play for the Boks at 10 under Meyer. I’m not sure if he is capable, it’s not his fault. Heynecke is a hands on coach and has a VERY specific game plan in mind.
This has nothing to do with Lambie. Elton will have to adapt the same as Goosen.
The one who can do so best will be the guy for the next 4 years.
Now this is farking funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgWYN5e9K10&NR=1&feature=endscreen
@ grootblousmile:
😆 rudi
62: hey pêl, ons is besig met samesweringsteorieë hier, moenie kom staan en sense praat hier nie, hoor !
@ Stormersboy:
Correct, and the article is there for a reason, Rudi understand and is having the desired effect, sso leave out the comspiracy theory and what i have said is correct.
Lambie can run and pass all he wants tomorrow, but if all parts of the team do not function, every else will become futile
63 @ Sharks_forever:
Farkkkkk, now you have resorted to toilet humor….. eishhhh
Mens kan julle Tjarkies ook net mooi nêrens heen vat nie……
Conspiricy Theories is one thing, but heck I have to draw the freegin line on watching freegin cat poop!
Hahaha
66 @ Sharks_forever:
Lambie can run… but can he pass… and can he kick… hehehe
@ grootblousmile:
It stays funny 😆
@ grootblousmile:
He is a sharky he does everyting lol\
ok guys, i’m out
sharky ons maak more wer so!! lol
69 @ Sharks_forever:
Tell Kickers he MUST put a suitcase like that with a Tokkelossie in it at the place the rioters congregate there in the Cape….
Riots verby… moertoe!
@ grootblousmile:
😆 for sure lol
@ grootblousmile:
Maak so Ash, goed gaan broer
Hosh Tokelosh!
Lambie thinks he is… Cooler as Ekke
61: Koning Samesweringsteorie skryf:
their no natural ball players around him to allow him to do it (anyone see kirchner coming in on the angle? anyone?)
Zane kom glad nie naby Lambie nie, vir die eenvoudige rede dat hy kop in een mus is met HM in hul bloubul sameswering teen Lambie. En as ek so na Inzane se hare kyk, dan glo ek jy is reg, met daai hare lyk hy suspect !
Ek dink ons moet vir FS op heelagter sit, want hy sal nie met ‘n angle inkom op Lambie nie, hy sal hom van reg agter tref, met volle geweld, in die middel Cyril …. en dan speel hy NOOIT weer vir die bokke nie, sameswering of te not !
Jammer manne, het nou heeltyd grappies gemaak, maar hier is my ernstige mening:
Ek dink HM is ‘n russiese spioen …..
@ bdb:
wat is sy Russiese Van?? bokdrol, fuckinovski?? 😆
The theories are taking there toll on you Bidi
78 @ bdb:
Ai spaai, wif my little ai…
This woman is a huge bLUE bULL Supporter 😆
O flok ouens, duck… here comes Oompie Puma!
81 @ Sharks_forever:
AL weer die telefoonnommertjies… eish man!
@ grootblousmile:
watch the clip 😆
86 @ Sharks_forever:
Nee flok brother, you’ve even got her phone number and ALL her measurements written down there…
85 @ Puma:
Must have been a Toyi-Toyi comment you wanted to lodge…
@ Puma:
HIyas Pooms, about time you got here, I did the article just for you 😆
@ grootblousmile::lol: nee man die url copy so lol
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