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		<title>By: Onerb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onerb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ruperts aren&#039;t stupid. Just out of that game Saracens paid all their contracted players contracts and gave us a measly 250000Pound. 

Please do some math on flight tickets, players salaries and hotel accomodation and you&#039;ll find that SA Rugby made a loss in this excercise.

Really now, who does the financial projections at SARU? This is what happens when an Ex-player of not so long ago is in charge. We also got screwed with the S15 cash cow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50933"><p>The Ruperts aren&#8217;t stupid. Just out of that game Saracens paid all their contracted players contracts and gave us a measly 250000Pound. </p>
<p>Please do some math on flight tickets, players salaries and hotel accomodation and you&#8217;ll find that SA Rugby made a loss in this excercise.</p>
<p>Really now, who does the financial projections at SARU? This is what happens when an Ex-player of not so long ago is in charge. We also got screwed with the S15 cash cow.</p>
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		<title>By: Greenpoint-Gunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenpoint-Gunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think two good thijngs will come out of this tour. One is that PdV has seemingly now decided that it is worth while to pick overseas-based players. The second one is that Hopefully after this tour (coupled with the last B&amp;I Lions game) Div will realise that second best means second best. Not third or fourth best players, second best players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50926"><p>I think two good thijngs will come out of this tour. One is that PdV has seemingly now decided that it is worth while to pick overseas-based players. The second one is that Hopefully after this tour (coupled with the last B&amp;I Lions game) Div will realise that second best means second best. Not third or fourth best players, second best players.</p>
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		<title>By: Scrumdown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrumdown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s face facts here, SA Rugby admistrators from school level through provincial and S14 right through to the national team are, for the most part very poor at their jobs, and care nothing about looking after their most valuable assets, the players.

The whole thing makes me sick, and makes me want to kick any official involvement into touch.

The more some people advocate for positive change, the more those that are involved for personal self gratification and gain find reasons to keep the status quo.

Time I think to take some time away from the game, sit in my favourite armchair on a Saturday with some good company (Henry James Morgan?) and be able to criticise (or give credit) without fear of upsetting the wrong person.

Attitudes in Rugby in Southern Africa need to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50868"><p>Let&#8217;s face facts here, SA Rugby admistrators from school level through provincial and S14 right through to the national team are, for the most part very poor at their jobs, and care nothing about looking after their most valuable assets, the players.</p>
<p>The whole thing makes me sick, and makes me want to kick any official involvement into touch.</p>
<p>The more some people advocate for positive change, the more those that are involved for personal self gratification and gain find reasons to keep the status quo.</p>
<p>Time I think to take some time away from the game, sit in my favourite armchair on a Saturday with some good company (Henry James Morgan?) and be able to criticise (or give credit) without fear of upsetting the wrong person.</p>
<p>Attitudes in Rugby in Southern Africa need to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Puma</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snoek agree with you mate, 100% there.  We need our very best 2nd side to be playing these mid-week games.  If any injury to the Test squad they could slot straight in.  

Those players left at home should have been getting game time over there.  That would have been preparing us better for the world cup than sending players we all know that should not have been in the mid-week team.  We have set oursleves back by doing that.  When will our 2nd best now get a chance to be tested out against good opposition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50860"><p>Snoek agree with you mate, 100% there.  We need our very best 2nd side to be playing these mid-week games.  If any injury to the Test squad they could slot straight in.  </p>
<p>Those players left at home should have been getting game time over there.  That would have been preparing us better for the world cup than sending players we all know that should not have been in the mid-week team.  We have set oursleves back by doing that.  When will our 2nd best now get a chance to be tested out against good opposition?</p>
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		<title>By: The-Pill</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5 mil to Sarries and 250k to SA?

Talk about a gap..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50858"><p>5 mil to Sarries and 250k to SA?</p>
<p>Talk about a gap..</p>
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		<title>By: The-Pill</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>250 large for n kick to posts?

Wow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50857"><p>250 large for n kick to posts?</p>
<p>Wow</p>
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		<title>By: The-Pill</title>
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		<dc:creator>The-Pill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pass me in the pecking order i see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50856"><p>Pass me in the pecking order i see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The-Pill</title>
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		<dc:creator>The-Pill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh uhh... Aikona Irish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50855"><p>Uh uhh&#8230; Aikona Irish.</p>
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		<title>By: Lion4ever</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So SA Rugby earned R6.25 mill from these 2 games. Not bad money, but surely they could have earned more? The idea of midweek games is great, as these traditionally were the vehicle in which fringe players were blooded, and also some got to play test matches, as the 1st choice players were injured or lost form.
I do not have a problem per se with the concept, but what I do have a problem with is the balance of the team selected, and the paltry sum we were paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50853"><p>So SA Rugby earned R6.25 mill from these 2 games. Not bad money, but surely they could have earned more? The idea of midweek games is great, as these traditionally were the vehicle in which fringe players were blooded, and also some got to play test matches, as the 1st choice players were injured or lost form.<br />
I do not have a problem per se with the concept, but what I do have a problem with is the balance of the team selected, and the paltry sum we were paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-50839&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Snoek&lt;/a&gt;: 
&quot;We need to have a b team playing on a permanent basis against strong opposition, its about teamwork&quot;
..
but
even THAT b team have to START from somewhere to be able to function as a team, isnt it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50845"><p>@<a href="#comment-50839" rel="nofollow">Snoek</a>:<br />
&#8220;We need to have a b team playing on a permanent basis against strong opposition, its about teamwork&#8221;<br />
..<br />
but<br />
even THAT b team have to START from somewhere to be able to function as a team, isnt it?</p>
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		<title>By: Snoek</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only we really send our second best team. We send lambs to be slaughtered. We need to have a b team playing on a permanent basis against strong opposition, its about teamwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_50839"><p>If only we really send our second best team. We send lambs to be slaughtered. We need to have a b team playing on a permanent basis against strong opposition, its about teamwork.</p>
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