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RedsWhistleThe Reds bemoaned a number of calls made by South African referee Lourens van der Merwe in their 20-35 loss to the Sharks at the weekend.

Despite an impressive second-half fight back at Kings Park, the reds left Durban empty handed.

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Down 6-25 at half time, the Reds scored second half tries through Mike Harris and Will Genia – to open up the chance of a comeback victory, before a late Sharks try killed off the match.

Second half replacement Beau Robinson was carded for infringing at the breakdown in the 67th minute, which coach Richard Graham said was a crucial point in the game.

“At that point, we still had an opportunity,” the Reds coach said.

“We finished strongly, so it would probably have come down to how we managed the last 13 minutes,” Graham added.

“I don’t think the breakdown was refereed very well, so I’m frustrated in that sense.”

Reds captain James Horwill spent several instances speaking to Van der Merwe.

“There were certain things that we didn’t get the rub of the green, but that’s rugby sometimes,” Horwill said.

The add injury to insult replacement prop Ben Daley went off the field in second half with a knee problem and headed back to Brisbane on Sunday to have scans.

The teams scored two tries each, but the Sharks kicked seven penalties to make the difference.

Both Graham and Horwill lamented the number of clear chances that the Reds let slip, in particular Mike Harris dropping the ball on the tryline, shortly before half-time.

“There were plenty of opportunities either side of half-time to get closer, and we just didn’t take them,” Horwill said.

“Those guys know themselves they missed opportunities, so I don’t need to say anything to them,” Graham added, looking ahead to their next clash against the Lions at Ellis Park this coming Saturday.

“Our character, when we were down 6-25, was displayed when we came back to 20-28. But our accuracy has got to be better.

“Their spirit has really impressed me, and they continue to fight. We know that we will face something similar to what Frans Steyn did, punishing us from anywhere inside 55 metres.”

Graham added that apart from the missed opportunities, the high penalty count contributed to the result.

“We started the game very well and managed position and possession,” the coach said.

“We then had a 20-minute period where we lost control of the game and decisions at the breakdown compounded the scoreboard pressure,” Graham added.

“The score at half time was challenging, but we composed ourselves and got back to 20-28. At that point the game was where we should have gone on with it.

“We had a couple of opportunities that we didn’t capitalise on and we are disappointed.”

The Reds now move on to Johannesburg where they play the Lions at Ellis Park on Saturday.

“We wake up tomorrow [Monday] and shift our focus to next weekend’s match against the Lions,” Graham said.

“They have started the season strongly and will be buoyed by their win over the Blues.

“We need to prepare well and continue to improve if we are to get the result we are chasing.”

42 Responses to Super Rugby: Reds in Ref rant after loss to Sharks

  • 1

    Unfortunately the Reds have a valid point!

    All one has to do is look at our own Live Game Article here on Rugby-Talk, and see the comments during the match (by South African bloggers) and one gets the firm impression that Lourens van der Merwe and his TMO were poor and their decisions were highly questionable.

    I hope that Lourens van der Merwe is sanctioned!!

  • 2

    I guess we must admit it’s not the Sharks player’s fault that they get the rub of the green.
    If I was a Shark supporter I would be very happy and wouldn’t complain one bit.
    Payback is going to be a bitch though.
    Actually I hope the Sharks have a fantastic year and only lose one game, preferably the semi or final

  • 3

    2 @ nortierd:

    Nortie ii sure messes your mind up when the Sharksv win. You want us to lose so badly adn when we win you blame everything for or win. Get over your hatred for my team or rather jealousy of them.

    Reds had pleny chances to ein but never. Sharks as well misses a few chances with the slippery ball.

    Whenever we win its always because of the ref in tour mind. We are the team in the past have had most of the 50/50 calls go against us. Especially the finally in 2007 by Walsh. Also 2012 in the fist two games against Bulls and Stormers where we probably wpould have won had the ref got it right and who knows we may have had a home final. Also in that year playing the Ciefs at the tank we had a kiwi ref that blew us for no reason and cost us that game. We always got the end of the stick when Bryce Lawrence reffed us against any team. So you see it happens to all teams. But hell man you go on about the Sharks like you totally obsessed with them.

    We will lose at some point and even might this week against the Bulls. Us Sharks supporters are just takin one game at a time and not getting ahead of ourselves. We also have to play a very good Lions on their turf. This season is very long. Injuries too will play a huge part. Just get over your hatred or jealousy of my team.

  • 4

    Sorry for errors.

  • 5

    Norty and the Shorks is like Bakkies and the Kiwis.

  • 6

    Puma wrote:

    2 @ nortierd:
    Nortie ii sure messes your mind up when the Sharksv win. You want us to lose so badly adn when we win you blame everything for or win. Get over your hatred for my team or rather jealousy of them.
    Reds had pleny chances to ein but never. Sharks as well misses a few chances with the slippery ball.
    Whenever we win its always because of the ref in tour mind. We are the team in the past have had most of the 50/50 calls go against us. Especially the finally in 2007 by Walsh. Also 2012 in the fist two games against Bulls and Stormers where we probably wpould have won had the ref got it right and who knows we may have had a home final. Also in that year playing the Ciefs at the tank we had a kiwi ref that blew us for no reason and cost us that game. We always got the end of the stick when Bryce Lawrence reffed us against any team. So you see it happens to all teams. But hell man you go on about the Sharks like you totally obsessed with them.
    We will lose at some point and even might this week against the Bulls. Us Sharks supporters are just takin one game at a time and not getting ahead of ourselves. We also have to play a very good Lions on their turf. This season is very long. Injuries too will play a huge part. Just get over your hatred or jealousy of my team.

    Damnit Puma, you should get someone to write your posts for you. Overjoy

  • 8

    6 @ Loosehead:

    Overjoy

    I am walking outside with the builders here at my house with my ipad. They doing some renovations. Will be going to my study in a few minutes where my pc is. Think I will trash this ipad in the garbage bin…..haha really useless withi it and using one finger while holding it makes for more mistakes. I think though you can read through my errors there….. Happy-Grin Bye

  • 9

    5 @ gunther:

    You spot on there Gunther……. Approve

  • 10

    @ Puma:
    Puma lets clear my position up while we are on the subject of hate.

    I dont hate anyone (well maybe almost Jake, i was taught never to hate except the bad) but i certainly love the way your team get all the hype and attention and have nothing to show in the trophy cabinet.
    I have my reasons for your failure but let me get to work and leave you with this thought.

    All refs, give and take. Like you admit you are getting now.
    Chat again.
    Strongs

    PS. One of the reasons to ponder about until we meet again, Going to sleep before the end of a game!!!

  • 11

    GBS daar is foute op my artikel, die log is reg gemaak maar nie gesort, Bulls le 3de en Lions 2de. Help asb, en kyk maar na my Afrikaanse Engels asb. My Telkom Mail wil nie oopmaak nie en ek gaan nou uit site toe.

  • 12

    Ons se dit al lankal

    The Stormers coaches should be axed and a head coach appointed who can rebuild the franchise, writes RYAN VREDE.

    The Cape franchise’s future as a potential force in Super Rugby hangs in the balance. This isn’t an exaggeration. They require an intervention of the most serious kind, but also one that is purposeful and prioritises present stability and future excellence in equal measure.

  • 13

    Why do the Bulls supporters hate / dislike Jake so much?
    Is it because he gave Matfield shit because of his lack of respect for Jake? Remember the cut your girly hair thingy?
    Is it because he picked John Smit and Bismark above Gary Botha?
    Is it because he made John Smit captain, and not Victor Matfield?

    Yet Jake kept a squad full of Bulls players who lifted the Web Ellis Trophy.
    Bakkies & Victor,Danie Roussouw, FDP, Gary Botha, Gurthro, Wikus, WO, Habana. The steroid monkey would have gone if it wasn’t for his “illness”.

    Is it because he is English speaking? I mean, the first ever English speaking captain of the Bulls has been a figure of hatred from his teams “supporters” even though he has been played out of position in a team that is not really great.

  • 14

    @Puma
    The only team I really dislike are the French.
    I don’t hate the Sharks, I’m not a Shark supporter, never was, never will be.
    I have no reason to support them or hope they win anything, and that won’t change.
    I’ve never said they wouldn’t win these games so far this year, I’m saying they are getting the rub of the green.
    Of course you will disagree and believe that in fact everyone is against them.
    I see it differently, and this weekend it was not just them getting lucky calls, the Blues were also shafted IMO.

  • 15

    @ Loosehead:
    I am kind of apathetic on the Jake White issue, like everyone else I enjoyed the World Cup win, but personally I lost a bit of respect when he sent second teams to Australasia during the Tri Nations.

    Other than that his knack for setting up systems and his analysis on opposition is world class when he gets it right, also the way they handled him after 2007 was horrible, speaks a lot to his good character that he is willing to try again to coach the boks.

  • 16

    nortierd wrote:

    @Puma
    The only team I really dislike are the French.
    I don’t hate the Sharks, I’m not a Shark supporter, never was, never will be.
    I have no reason to support them or hope they win anything, and that won’t change.
    I’ve never said they wouldn’t win these games so far this year, I’m saying they are getting the rub of the green.
    Of course you will disagree and believe that in fact everyone is against them.
    I see it differently, and this weekend it was not just them getting lucky calls, the Blues were also shafted IMO.

    Let me rephrase, I in fact despise the French rugby side.

  • 17

    @ MacroBull:
    Also it is wildly thrown around that it is Bulls supporters that wanted him out after the 2006, this is ridiculous, the only people that backed him was people who knew it was too late to get another coach anyway. He did not get support from everyone but the Bulls.

  • 18

    MacroBull wrote:

    @ MacroBull:
    Also it is wildly thrown around that it is Bulls supporters that wanted him out after the 2006, this is ridiculous, the only people that backed him was people who knew it was too late to get another coach anyway. He did not get support from everyone but the Bulls.

    The BBC tried to get a vote of no confidence in him, if I remember correctly.

  • 19

    @ Loosehead:
    I think it was in the middle of the eoyt that jake white got recalled for a meeting in South Africa? That was definitely very bad, but as people suggest these days especially non bulls that “bulls supporters” had a anti jake white agenda while everyone else backed him could not be further from the truth.

  • 20

    @ MacroBull:
    Right, I remember clearly that it was the BBRU that stood by Jake when he was called back from London to explain to those arseholes Komphela and Co at Newlands on the Wednesday before the test against England. Jake acknowledged the Bulls’ support throughout his career in his autobiography.

  • 21

    Ahem!

    http://www.iol.co.za/sport/more-knives-out-for-white-1.565034

    More knives out for White

    November 16 2006 at 12:15pm
    By Dale Granger
    Jake White and the entire Springbok management look set to lose their jobs as the country’s most powerful rugby unions turn against them.

    The call for White’s head has come from the Blue Bulls, the most powerful rugby union in South Africa, and is likely to be supported by Western Province.

    This latest crisis to hit the Bok coach comes as he prepares the team for their test against England at Twickenham on Saturday and after the team’s loss to Ireland.

    The Blue Bulls have called on Jake White and the Springbok management to resign after a vote of no confidence was tabled against the beleaguered SA Rugby coach.

    For the first time in South African rugby the President’s Council is poised to force the SA Rugby board to fire a Springbok rugby coach, with the Bulls taking the initiative through a unanimous decision passed at their annual meeting on Tuesday night.

    The motion of no confidence against White and his management was proposed by the Blue Bulls Old Players Association, an influential lobby that includes former Springboks such as Frik du Preez and Piet Uys, and carried the support of all the clubs in Pretoria. Blue Bulls president Boet Fick said the motion would be delivered to the South African Rugby Union (Saru) on Thursday and tabled for a vote at next Thursday’s President’s Council meeting.

    “The Blue Bulls want to express its shock and unhappiness with the performance of our national rugby team, the Springboks,” the motion reads.

    The union places the blame squarely on the shoulders of White and his management team.

    “In the interests of SA Rugby these gentlemen are requested to resign with immediate effect. The union no longer sees its way clear to support these officials with the coaching and selection of teams and are convinced that if they do resign with immediate effect, then there is a prospect of competing with reasonable success at the World Cup in 2007.”

    Western Province chief executive Theuns Roodman, said the matter had not yet been discussed in the Newlands boardroom, “but it is likely that we will support the Bulls”.

    The motion is also likely to carry the support of the Valke, with the union’s chairperson, Guy Kebble, saying on Thursday: “We are not happy with what Jake White and his management team have done with the Springboks. We will likely support any motion for a change in structure, including that of his job as national coach.”

    Sharks chief executive Brian van Zyl said the issue had also not been discussed by the rugby hierarchy in Durban, but if the President’s Council supported the Bulls and voted to axe White, then the SA Rugby board would be under “huge pressure” to comply.

    Van Zyl, who was at Lansdowne Road on Saturday watching the Springboks crashing to a record 32-15 defeat to Ireland, said the reaction of South Africans who had travelled to Dublin to watch the test was punctuated by “extreme anger and disappointment”.

    The major unions in South Africa are incensed that White withdrew all 24 contracted Springboks from Currie Cup rugby this season, leaving the provinces to carry the load.

    But then White left star players, notably Os du Randt, Victor Matfield, Fourie du Preez, Percy Montgomery and Breyton Paulse, at home for the end of year tour.

    And in a year where South Africa has won only four of their 10 test matches, two against Scotland at home, the relationship between White and the Blue Bulls in particular has been volatile. During the away leg of the Tri-Nations, Bulls players were known to be upset at White for criticising their head coach Heyneke Meyer in the media.

    The Bulls players were also angry that White chose to play scrumhalf Ricky Januarie ahead of Du Preez in the opening Tri-Nations test against Australia, which South Africa lost by a record 49-0.

    In reaction to the public clamour for White to resign, Saru deputy president Mike Stofile said he was not surprised. However, he said he was looking at the matter positively and would comment soon.

    Saru president Oregan Hoskins, one of White’s few supporters, was avoiding calls from the media on Wednesday on White’s future.

    However, Jacques van der Westhuyzen reports from Bath that Jake White is unconcerned about reports that his job is on the line.

    “I can’t worry about those sort of things,” he said on Wednesday. “I have a job to do on the field. We have a new batch of players here with us and for our World Cup plans it’s important that we increase our depth.

    “The decision to rest key players for this tour was taken jointly by me, the board of SA Rugby and the review committee at a meeting earlier this season. Also, just before the Rustenburg Test I had a meeting with former coaches and key role players (among them Nick Mallett, Carel du Plessis, Rudolf Straeuli, Harry Viljoen and Naas Botha) and it was decided we must do whatever we can to create opportunities for all our players.

    “This tour was always going to be about creating those opportunities,” White said. He said “all coaches are appointed to be fired later on”.

  • 22

    @ MacroBull:
    Both our comments at the same time with the same content…double truth, I guess!

  • 23

    @ Loosehead:
    In other words EVERYONE wanted him to be fired.

  • 24

    Thanks loosehead for emphasizing my point.

  • 25

    And then in 2007 we all rejoiced and hailed Jake!

  • 26

    @ Pietman:
    And those turncoats turned and told everyone how brilliant white is and how evil those damn bulls are lol

  • 27

    I put it to you that even though you folks hate Jake White, he has won us a WC under huge pressure from the Unions[ lead by the Bulls] in SA as well as SARU.
    I put it to you that the Sharks [having only played at home so far this season] are on top of the S15 log, with the self same Jake White as coach.
    [Barry Roux mode]

  • 28

    nice site kaplan lewer nogal interresante insette

    http://ratetheref.co.za/2014/03/17/kaplans-comments-week-5/

  • 29

    What is it with “you folks” on that eoyt we got got humiliated by the irish. no one was a jake white fan. we were nowhere..

    by you folks you surely mean you everyone. the bulls stood up back then because other franchises did not really have that much credibility.

    I take nothing away from his ability and what he achirved after the world cup… except that year at the lions?

  • 30

    in hindsight jake did pretty well considering AC was his backline coach

  • 31

    21: Die beste deel van die artikel is ….

    “… from the Blue Bulls, the most powerful rugby union in South Africa.”

    Approve

    Oor ou Jake en enige ander afrigter in die land, elkeen van hulle het hul fans en hul vyande, dit is maar die lewe.

    Moet sê, White het nie veel fans gemaak met sy dom opmerkings oor ons spelers laasjaar toe hy in Brumbieland gesit het nie. Nou toe die geld reg is, en hy skielik ‘n span ontvang het wat reeds diepte het en hy nie hoef op te gebou het van die grond af nie (soos HM by Bulle), nou is alles weer ‘SA eerste’ vir hom. White het ook die Bulle bokke ge-erf van HM om 2007 te wen, nie eintlik self span gebou nie.

    Iets minder as die titel hierdie jaar sal vir hom ‘n mislukking wees. Sal sien hoe vaar hy teen die jong, onervare Bulle span Saterdag, wie niemand weereens ‘n kans gee nie.

    Wink

  • 32

    Gepraat van die Sharks span vir komende Saterdag, watter versterkings kan nog inkom ?

    Jordaan, Deysel, Peyper, PSDT en wie nog ?

    Whistling

  • 33

    32 @ Ben:
    Ek dink Jordaan en Pieter-Steph is long term casualties… so dis Deysel, Jaco Peyper & Lourens van der Merwe, as jy my vra!

    Happy-Grin

  • 34

    @ Loosehead:
    You surely nailed it
    It’s an irrational thing there, same the way they keep running down Jono Ross on this blog, that despite being their best loose forward.
    They also drove the late Kitch Christie out of town on a cartwheel, guess what, Kitch went on to win the Super 10, the CC and the RWC with Tvl in a space of 3 years.
    I also don’t like JW and his record from 2006/07 which was a shamble but I keep it all about rugby.

  • 35

    @ Pietman:
    It was a case of a sheer luck not a rugby proper achievement imo
    JW’s Boks didn’t win against the numbers three to one ranked teams unlike Christie who did it in 1995, so I wasn’t impressed but still they pulled it off!

  • 36

    Hondo keeps it all about rugby.

    Cough cough.

  • 37

    Ben wrote:

    Gepraat van die Sharks span vir komende Saterdag, watter versterkings kan nog inkom ?
    Jordaan, Deysel, Peyper, PSDT en wie nog ?

    A nee a Ben
    Kom saam met my oor na die dark side, ek het die lig gesien.
    Die Sharks is wonderlik, fantasties, te goed vir woorde.
    Hulle trek die kortste ent van beslissings en as ons nie so n wonderlike span en afrigter en CEO en oog afrigter gehad het nie sou ons seker nie so gerieflik al ons wedstryde gewen het nie.
    Jy is net jaloers, soos sekere ander wie se name ek nie gaan noem nie.
    Ons gaan Saterdag chop chop met die pienk melk koeie afreken en hopelik sal die Waratahs ons ietwat van n challenge gee die week daarop.
    Ek wil nie he my span moet in die finaal speel sonder om ooit gee toets te geword het nie, ons kan nie help ons is so ver die ander spanne dat dit so maklik is nie.

    Ons spelers gee al selfs vir die skeidsregters lesse tydens die wedstryd van hoe om te skrum, so superior is ons. Dink jy dis dalk hoekom die skeidsregters eintlik so teen ons blaas? Dalk is hulle ook jaloers op ons, ek dink so.

    Groete
    Jou Sharkie vriend.
    Ps kom jy ook nou oor na die wen kant toe, Mr. Price hou n uitverkoping op verlede jaar se stock. Hierdie jaar se nuwe truie het klaar die goue bekertjie met 2014,2015 en 2016 op die regtermou, so dis n bietjie duur.

  • 38

    33: Sal begin met Lourens en dan vir Peyper opbring die laaste 10 minute vir die nodige impak, hy is baie goed daardie laaste paar minute van ‘n game.

  • 39

    @ Hondo:
    Look, SA had an ideal draw. It also helped that Aus and NZ were knocked out. But that is the nature of a competition like the WC. Even Kitch said that SA needed to beat Aus on to get the better draw.

  • 40

    @ Lion4ever:
    Well, they did beat the Wallabies in the opener, didn’t they?
    JW guys beat the Poms 36:0 if I remember correctly

  • 41

    34: Ross was baie beter op agsteman, dit het al die mense daar op die Bulle se blog ook erken, hy is nie ‘n flank nie. Maar dat hy die Bulle se ‘best loose forward’ is, is ‘n klomp stront. Gaan kyk of hy enige ‘best super 15′ spanne gehaal het na elke rondte, of laasjaar toe hy vir CB span gespeel het, was hy nêrens nie. Julle engelse moet ook nou nie sy engelse taal insleep nie, ons glo die beste speler moet speel ongeag van sy taal of velkleur. Feit is, daar is heelwat losvoorspelers wat beter as hy is, hy is nie te sleg nie, maar definitief nie Bulle se beste loosie nie. JDP is loshande die beste loosie wat die Bulle tans het na 4 wedstryde, en met Steggies en Dewald terug dink ek dit is ‘n goeie gebalanseerde kombinasie.

  • 42

    Jannie apologies to ref
    2014-03-17 18:00
    News24
    Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer
    Cape Town – Jannie du Plessis, the Sharks’ veteran Springbok tighthead prop, has cleared the air with Super Rugby referee Lourens van der Merwe.

    VIDEO: Jannie du Plessis backchats ref!

    Sport24 has learnt from an impeccable source that the charismatic doctor and 31-year-old front-ranker phoned the official on Monday to apologise for his backchat in the match against the Reds at Kings Park on Saturday.

    Van der Merwe, during a break for treatment to an injured Reds player early in the second half, had addressed the prop over his dissatisfaction with a binding issue in the scrums, telling him he was on a final warning or he would “have to penalise”.

    Du Plessis, to the incredulity of many people listening to the SuperSport audio feed, spiritedly protested, saying that his technique had received the backing of scrumming guru and former Bok No 3 Balie Swart and also Paddy O’Brien, once a Test referee and former head of the International Rugby Board’s Referee Board.

    “So please don’t lecture me,” Du Plessis was clearly heard to say during the novel exchange.

    It has subsequently been learnt that in the heat of the moment Du Plessis confused O’Brien’s name with that of the personality he meant, current SANZAR referee manager Lyndon Bray.

    “(The disagreement) was over a technical issue surrounding binding,” the source said.

    “But Jannie felt very bad about it; he knew he came over a bit strongly in his views.

    “He has had a good chat to Lourens and apologised; it was a spur of the moment event and he doesn’t want to be seen as someone who has a go at refs.”


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